Voss:
- 3 time premiership captain (after coming back from injuries that would stop some players).
- Heavily influenced by Matthews and Walls as a player.
- One of the most respected players of the modern era, importantly this respect is from peers as well.
- Knows the modern game.
- Professional media performer (I think he read the sports news up in Brisbane for a while).

Main negative though is lack of coaching experience.

Nevertheless I would be over the moon if Voss was coaching the Carlton Football Club.

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Would Voss accept an assistant's position. Maybe not. I would think the Dees would offer him the senior job.
If he wanted to do his apprenticeship first, he would want to do 1-2 years as an assistant at most. If we gave ratten or someone else in the job at years end, they would want 3 years minimum.

So if we want Voss to be our senior coach, he would have to be appointed so next year or work under pagan for a year and then decide whether he or ratten are better

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We must get the best coach.

As Dick said, if he is available, he is not the best.

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We will need to act quickly, Michael Voss will coach an AFL team in 2008.

Look at the coaches that could change at the end of this year..

Definate

Pagan
Sheedy
Daniher



Maybe?
Wallace
Malthouse
Laidley
Connolly
Thompson








Safe (But we could poach)
Matthews
Roos
Clarkson




Untouchable
Williams
Worsfold
Craig
Lyon
Eade

I reckon up to 6 coaches will move on next year, and maybe 1 or 2 stay in the system, so around 2- 4 new coaches will come on.

We need to do a deal early.

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Why the F$%& would we want Clarkson ? For me the decision would be between Voss, Ratten, and Roos.

No contest. Get him. Get Voss!

Ideally you appoint Voss at the end of the year and thank Pagan for his time. You keep the assistants for continuity and support, as he hasn't been a senor coach.

Pagan can go and coach Melbourne, Daniher can return to Windy Hill and Sheedy can travel the world for a year before returning to take over Richmond after another bad year sees Wallace dumped.

But seriously, Voss would be a massive coup. Not least because of the respect he engenders. You can imagine players wanting to come to the CFC just to work alongside Vossy. If Judd decides to come home at seasons end, having the newly appointed Coach Voss would be a massive filip.

I dont disagree...Ratten is in the box seat but if Voss was available I would be tempted to give Voss the job.
If he comes as an assistant then its another Worsfold situation...couple of years experience and then back to his home state to take the job after Matthews goes....
A few of the media think he needs the assist coaching role and the experience...I'm not so sure, as Jarusa said he has the CV to overcome that....I would also look at Nathan Buckley as an assistant....Buckley has sublime skills and would be an asset to players like Murphy, Gibbs etc...

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how about we get Voss and one other (Ratts??) as senior assistant coaches with shared responsibilities overseen by head coach (Pagan) who takes a back seat role pretty much overseeing the assistant coaches. Much like Parkin did with Brittain.

At the end of 2008 we tell Pagan thanks for your time and we pick the best senior assistant coach based on performance throughout the year.

Benefits of this:
- 2008 becomes one long job interview.
- Pagan no longer (really) coaching us next year...

Clean slate required....Pagan goes...Voss gets to choose his own staff.

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Buckley as an assistant absolutely.

If he has any sense, he'd know that he needs to get a couple of years elsewhere to get a fresh perspective, a place where he doesn't know the players, wasn't their captain in order to get the coaching gig processes right and understood.

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Voss is not a mere mortal like an Alistair Clarkson, who'll need years before he's ready for the gig.

He can do his apprenticeship during the NAB Cup, then be ready to go by Round 1.

Why not Daniher -got a very sound record

In my opinion Buckley will be Collingwoods next senior coach. And when he retires he will have a role at Collingwod. I have heard Eddie a number of times regarding Buckely off field and he has said he isn't leaving the pies.

As long as Eddie is president Buckley will stay there he has a lot of influence over the decision he make especially at the end of last year when Buckley didn't want t be captain Eddie changed his mind straight away.

They have spent alot of money already on him training him for life after footy they aren't going to let him go easily even as an assistant.

It's a lay-down-mazaire/no brainer - whatever you want to call it. Voss will be a career coach and will need a couple of years to get going. I say bring him in asap to get experience required to win the @#$%&! flag. By the time he's ready, the boys will be ready.

I heard Bucks on MMM on Sat. They asked him if he was coach of a club, who are the guys he'd like to work with. Without hesitating, he named Brenton sanderson as his defensive coach and Scott Burns for the midfielders. The guy is preparing himself for the top job, no doubt

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Don't disagree with the analysis, but it was the get the signature early philosophy that that bit us on the arse when we re-signed Pagan.

I think we actually have some currency for a potential coach. We are not the club we were 6 months ago, possible attractions to a coach are:
- A young list that will improve with experience and with bigger bodies as they physically mature
- A proven CEO in charge to move the club in the right direction
- The third richest man in Australia as President, who will support the development of the club
- Some more relatively early draft picks this year
- Not too many retirements in the next five seasons relative to other clubs, and not that will substantially hurt the list
- A history of success

Looking at it dispassionately, of the bottom teams, we are probably one of the most attractive teams to coach in the medium term. I think we might be able to use that to attract the coach that we want, and not have to jump the gun in the first half of the season.

Great minds Frank, I rate Daniher and if we go through an exhaustive process would be happy if ND got the job.

Not sure at this stage what either Ratts or Voss have done to make them great senior coaches. Both great players, but we are not getting them to play. Voss has exactly nil experience as a coach. We have to get this right. If we stuff up this time it will really count because we want to be talking flags in a few years, not discussing how to pay out a dud coach's contract. I think several posters were as ecstatic about DPs arrival as they are about Voss.

History suggest that for the last 20 years no coach has been successful without a solid grounding as an assistant. Voss's outstanding carrer as a player doesn't exempt him from that, and Ratts is coming to AFL after coaching suburban footy. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe Libba would be a better coach of the Carlton assistants.

Anyway, not sure what the contracts of the assistants are, but if we bring in a coach and he brings in his own people this may be a very expensive exercise

I'm not comfortable with the likes of Nathan Buckley and/or Mark Harvey coaching at our club because they spent their entire careers at Collingwood and Essendon* respectively. Any other club and I'm not bothered but the Collingwood/Essendon* thing irks me.

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Doesnt worry me.....I want the best coaching team we can get and I'd find it amusing if the Pies favourite son in Buckley helped us win a flag while Collingwood struggles....

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gerry, the salary cap has levelled the playing field when it comes to players but whoever has the most money can spend the most on training facilities, recruiting, football department technology, staff. The football department is NOT where we should be cutting costs...if anything, more should be INVESTED in it...we need to invest in our players by providing them the best support we possibly can.

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