Our next coach?

George Harris · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:06 am

Blue Vain wrote:

We have the 15th best tactician in the AFL and you want to recruit the 16th.

Other way around.

I think we have the 16th best now, but we need to take a bigger step then going to the 15th.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:24 am

buzzaaaah wrote:

Collingwood have a band of experienced players that gets them through tight situations. Rocca, Clement, Lockyer, Burns, Buckley (when he plays), Fraser, Presti. Even Holland.That is what we dont have.
I agree that the Pies look better coached, but our lists are not equivalent

Alot of them have been injured thou, and besides, you could argue that..............

Burns / Clement / Lockyer / Rocca / Holland & Buckley

are equivlent in experience to

Lappin / Fevola / Kouta / Whitnall / Stevens & Scotland

and of those listed above, i STILL rate our players better! The only two i do rate is Clement & Buckley.

Brodie is a poof
Burns is fairly decent but the equivilent to a Scotland.
Lockyer does some nice things from time to time, as does Lappin
Fevola is EASILLY a 100+ goals a year forward if only we knew how to send the ball to him whereas Rocca will never get near the qulaity of player his brother was DESPITE what fans think of him.
Whitnall, who has his critics, and some are warranted, can play forward or back which Rocca never could.

Kouta & Buckley are both ageing champions who have had a bad run with injuries!

No difference in my opinion! - Only diffenernce is Pagan makes excuses for his problems whereas Malthouse will find the answers!

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:46 am

Effes wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Effes wrote:

How about in the last qtr when Russell could have taken an uncontested mark but decided to double fist it away.

I conceded that Russell may be playing without confidence, but it isn't unusual for a coach to tell his defenders to punch, most coaches will. Whitnall did the same thing. I remember Silvagni often punching when I thought he could have marked. Was that a lack of confidence because of the coach?

How about Gibbs or Walker?

I think Gibbs, like Murphy are natural footballers so don't really need any coaching. I don't think Gibbs has lost confidence. It's the athletic types and talls who need coaching/development who have either improved little or have gone backwards.

I don't think Jordan Russell is a squib but just poor overheard like Walker early in his career and needs more development. He dropped one sitter against the Cats last year due to poor judgement and running under the ball. Russell then took a mark as brave as the one Beau Waters took in last year's Grand Final when he backed back with the flight.

He dropped two marks in that game due to poor judgement of the flight and being poor overhead. The commentators noted that two coaches had spoken to him after the first effort and he responded with a gutsy mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Dw2bc3ILc

He runs under the ball or misjudges the flight of the ball so he doesn't have much confidence in his marking. They should play him on the wing where it won't hurt the side as much and to get the best out of his talents.

Why didn't they drag him on Sunday?

He needs more coaching to get the best out of him because he appears to be a confidence player and he's poor overhead. Russell committed to that spoil against Essendon* by running back with the flight so I don't know why people suddenly think he's suddenly soft.

He opens himself up for a hit by flying for the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWEd91gggQ

I recall Didak freezing and dropping the ball in one game after he spun around and saw Mark Johnson coming straight at him. Rhyce Shaw hasn't been cut or not gone on with it after he had that brainfart in the Grand Final despite being condemned for it.

Those two players haven't gone backwards.

Chest marks Jordan!

Stealth · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 6:49 pm

As ridiculous as it sounds and give me stick if you like, I was told today that CFC had approached N.Buckley about coaching. This would never happen!!! Surely not. Even if he had been approached smacks of desperation. The Kettle is boiling and the natives are restless???

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13684

Stealth wrote:

As ridiculous as it sounds and give me stick if you like, I was told today that CFC had approached N.Buckley about coaching. This would never happen!!! Surely not. Even if he had been approached smacks of desperation. The Kettle is boiling and the natives are restless???

Potentially a good move but I would rather a one year apprenticeship as an assistant first.

Mark my words, Buckley WILL be an excellent coach. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

...waiting for Jarusa....

barass · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 7:12 pm

Paul Roos would be an excellent choice.

Think about what he has done with a team that was predicted to finish last in 2002 (essentially the core of the team is the same).

Whilst other unproven candidates have merit, Roos is the man. His players love him.

Navy One · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 7:19 pm

ryan2000 wrote:

buzzaaaah wrote:

Collingwood have a band of experienced players that gets them through tight situations. Rocca, Clement, Lockyer, Burns, Buckley (when he plays), Fraser, Presti. Even Holland.That is what we dont have.
I agree that the Pies look better coached, but our lists are not equivalent

Alot of them have been injured thou, and besides, you could argue that..............

Burns / Clement / Lockyer / Rocca / Holland & Buckley

are equivlent in experience to

Lappin / Fevola / Kouta / Whitnall / Stevens & Scotland

and of those listed above, i STILL rate our players better! The only two i do rate is Clement & Buckley.

Brodie is a poof
Burns is fairly decent but the equivilent to a Scotland.
Lockyer does some nice things from time to time, as does Lappin
Fevola is EASILLY a 100+ goals a year forward if only we knew how to send the ball to him whereas Rocca will never get near the qulaity of player his brother was DESPITE what fans think of him.
Whitnall, who has his critics, and some are warranted, can play forward or back which Rocca never could.

Kouta & Buckley are both ageing champions who have had a bad run with injuries!

No difference in my opinion! - Only diffenernce is Pagan makes excuses for his problems whereas Malthouse will find the answers!

They also have a ruckman and half their team have grand final experience (losing .... but still have have played finals)

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 7:30 pm

As i said about 20 flowering pages back,get LETHAL,IF NOT GET VOSS
Maybe Ratts and Voss together with (don't laugh,think about it)John Buchannon as a director of coaching.He has steered the best team in the world in ANY sport for the last how many years.Think outside the square everyone.How much have the Pies thrown at the Lexus centre and their still no closer to a flag.It's all about the personel. :idea:

Blue Beatle · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:08 pm

Electric Blue wrote:

I'm a country member....

we will remember!!!

Blue Beatle · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:11 pm

chubbyruss wrote:

If they got Sheedy I would cut my Membership card up. The guy is scum & he was also Richmond scum. I remember him when he played. He was a dirty bastard :evil:

I am old enough to remember when we said that about rhys-jones and diesel - before they came to us!! Right Blue Sombrero?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:16 pm

Josh Kaplan wrote:

Further to what Redskin wrote, I heard today that the approach to Roos was made by Pratt and he hasnt necessairly knocked back the offer either..
All signs point to a Pagan sacking regardless..
Interesting times

Well, this rumor just grew some legs :-D

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

Further to what Redskin wrote, I heard today that the approach to Roos was made by Pratt and he hasnt necessairly knocked back the offer either..
All signs point to a Pagan sacking regardless..
Interesting times

Well, this rumor just grew some legs :-D

Whilst I wouldn't necessarily mind Roos, just don't like "tempo" football. It's ugly and like basketball. It will die off soon and then could be stuck with Roos long term.

Hopefully Roos would be the sort of coach to come up with a successful and exciting brand of game plan.

Personal preference is Woosha.

camel · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:27 pm

bluechucky wrote:

Stealth wrote:

As ridiculous as it sounds and give me stick if you like, I was told today that CFC had approached N.Buckley about coaching. This would never happen!!! Surely not. Even if he had been approached smacks of desperation. The Kettle is boiling and the natives are restless???

Potentially a good move but I would rather a one year apprenticeship as an assistant first.

Mark my words, Buckley WILL be an excellent coach. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

...waiting for Jarusa....

Yep, I'm on the Buckley-will-coach-a-premiership-bandwgon too.

camel · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:31 pm

bluebeard wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Blue Beatle wrote:

Time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons.

Essendon* will miss the eight and not renew Sheedy's contract.
We will finish bottom four - Pagan gawn!!
So what about Sheedy at carlton - remember he almost came to us late 70's ?around 1979

Why would we get Sheedy when Gieschen is not coaching?

At least Fev might get some favours form the umpires with the Giesh at the helm.

That is the most frightening thing I have heard for a while....

Unleash the Giesch....

I get a shiver down my spine when I say that.

I reckon, as scary as what I wrote is, it's not as bad as the people pushing for us to recruit Ben Cousins.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 8:37 pm

Wangers wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

Further to what Redskin wrote, I heard today that the approach to Roos was made by Pratt and he hasnt necessairly knocked back the offer either..
All signs point to a Pagan sacking regardless..
Interesting times

Well, this rumor just grew some legs :-D

Whilst I wouldn't necessarily mind Roos, just don't like "tempo" football. It's ugly and like basketball. It will die off soon and then could be stuck with Roos long term.

Hopefully Roos would be the sort of coach to come up with a successful and exciting brand of game plan.

Personal preference is Woosha.

well, Roos has said he's not a career coach, so we might be able to pick him up and offer him 2 years on huge salary and put in place an assistant to take over after 2 years.... maybe a Buckley or Voss etc

But the "tempo footy" model.... its interesting..... he might have to be a bit more selective with his strategy with a young team...... because he won't be able to bank on the footskills of his players to deliver the ball forward.

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8628

Blue Beatle wrote:

chubbyruss wrote:

If they got Sheedy I would cut my Membership card up. The guy is scum & he was also Richmond scum. I remember him when he played. He was a dirty bastard :evil:

I am old enough to remember when we said that about rhys-jones and diesel - before they came to us!! Right Blue Sombrero?

But none of them came from the filth, the scum or Richmond. I'm old enough to have enough hate for these 3 pieces of crap :evil:

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

Further to what Redskin wrote, I heard today that the approach to Roos was made by Pratt and he hasnt necessairly knocked back the offer either..
All signs point to a Pagan sacking regardless..
Interesting times

Well, this rumor just grew some legs :-D

In the words of Synners ... "100 per cent".

Taff · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 9:40 pm

camelboy wrote:

bluechucky wrote:

Stealth wrote:

As ridiculous as it sounds and give me stick if you like, I was told today that CFC had approached N.Buckley about coaching. This would never happen!!! Surely not. Even if he had been approached smacks of desperation. The Kettle is boiling and the natives are restless???

Potentially a good move but I would rather a one year apprenticeship as an assistant first.

Mark my words, Buckley WILL be an excellent coach. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

...waiting for Jarusa....

Yep, I'm on the Buckley-will-coach-a-premiership-bandwgon too.

Buckley is very astute, knows what hard work is all about and a great student of the game. Knew how to get as much out of himself as possible. Doesn't mean he can get others to do it but high credibility rating. Must be on the radar, assistant first then coach. Good to see quality candidates on the horizon Voss, Buckley, McKenna, Ratten. As Pratt said, just get the best, not just the best available!

mjonc · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 10:03 pm

I've finally converted over. We need to move on, fresh start including a coach who can develop young talent.

What is Roos record with young players? Would someone like Shaun Rehn or Paul Hudson be more suited to our current playing list?

thrylos7 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:01 pm **Posts:** 1381

The question remains

Do we sack Pagan now and give one of our assistants a chance to prove themselves until seasons end, or do we wait and flash the cash at years end?

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