What would pagan know?
Plays Fev CHF and cloke Full forward instead of JK
Crowds the forward line against the Saints with Fev on a BUM
Cant work out how to setup the game plan to take the guy standing back deep in defense out of the game.
Plays walker 3 years as a tagger and defender when hes a gun midfielder type.
Plays Gibbs as a backman or small forward when he is a wing/midfield.

I can go on and on

Firstly, I don't think Pagan said he was a year off, but said he would be in the team this time next year.... if I remember that right, there's nothing stopping him being in the team this time this week as well.

Jacobs ok is a stretch as he's yet to play Bullants seniors and is recovering from injuries... but lets assume that McLaren or Cloke are LTIs.

Again, unless you can convince me that Hampson will get injured in the firsts, the "not ready" stuff is subjective.

BUT, is it true we get smashed in the middle? the first few rounds we did very well in centre clearances.... I don't remember the stats but unless thats declined rapidly, my belief is that we've improved a lot in clearances this year... irrespective of which ruckman wins the tap.

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Well until he gets sacked he is the one that has control and power.

The match committee might pick the team but our beloved coach can stick them on the bench.

The idea of keeping Deluca is frightening!

get real...he was a hack...

JK is already better and he hasnt played well yet!

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Well against Geelong and WCE we definantly got smashed and the others were the brilliance of bentick, murp and co getting to the oppositions tapouts first. Obviously if the ruckman can tap it closer to a CFC player then more chance of a clearence. Even though the ruckman doesnt have to palm it down to the Carlton player he atleast needs to get it near the player, I have rarely seen Cloke or Ackland win a decisive tap to a team mate all year.

Why is JK better then Deluca?

JK will be in our top 5 players one day hopefully, if he develops into the player we think he will be, but to this date, why is JK better then Deluca? .
Sadly right now Deluca has produced more for the CFC then JK. Stats dont lie and l seen both drop marks.

But the potential of JK is looking very very promising.

Cloke's ruckwork hasnt been too shabby and he has actually palmed the ball to the likes of Stevens, Murphy etc on a few occassions...but as expected the taller rucks trouble him and Ackland.
Ackland is a passenger....he is the Sally Robbins of the team...

I think either Hampson or Jacobs would be better value than Ackland as far as contesting hitouts go......fair chance that Murphy and Obree will be taking the tap though the way Ackland and Bryan mistime leaps....

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Who asked YOU, Jason Stoltenberg?

Lets try something radical -play a young guy /rookie in the ruck and even try a ruckman that is over 196 cms
If cloke didnt go down surely acklands place is in jeopardy- supposed to be good around the ground
Last week in the last quarter twice went through Ackland going forward with no pressure twice coughed it up.
Cloke has been better than him this year

so whats your point then? you want DeLuca in the side, or Kennedy? Were you joking or serious?

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No i want Hampson or Alaske in the team, but it would be nice to have a player who was half decent to play if need be.

I'm just curious why people say Deluca is a hack? but JK and him seem to be on the same level right now.

I want JK playing in the team but playing within the gameplan, at the moment he runs around in circles like a human throwing a bone for a dog to fetch.
If hes not going to be playing with in the gameplan and there is a player in the bullants deserviing a spot then he should goto the bullants.

Thats for DP to decide, otherwise 1st option Fev, 2nd Option Fev, 3rd Option Fev, 4th anybody else when Fev has 4 opponents on him

Bring back Blake Campbell!!!! ...he can play ruck ..he can play anywhere!! ..GUN!!!

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So Kennedy isn't playing to the game plan? or the gameplan is [REDACTED] because it encourages him to run around like a headless chook? Can he play other positions? Can Kennedy play in the ruck?

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In regards to Aiskaie, Jacobs & Hampson..............why are they a year off playing senior footy? I don't think they are at all!

I think that perhaps:-

HAMPSON -
Is a year off developing a body big enough to match it with guys like Cox & Lade, etc.

AISAKIE -
Is a year off being a MAJOR player in our side & one that can turn a game
(somebody just likened him to Buddy, yeah - i'd aggree with that. A Ruckman style of Buddy Franklin but is more suited to the 'around the ground' work as opposed to up forward!)

JACOBS -
Is a year off learning the 'other' area's that a ruckman needs to contribute too
(eg:- you can't JUST be a ruckman anymore. You've gotta be a ruckman that can kick goals or play CHB or midfield. Jacobs CAN ruck & HAS the body to match)

I'm not in anyway suggesting that these three KIDS should be our #1 ruckman. But i AM suggesting that if Cloke & McLaren are injured for 8-10 weeks, then these three kids are more than capable of providing some relief to Ackland in the ruck.

If anything, playing in the seniors is gonna fast-track their development.

What other option do we have? Kennedy or Whitnall? Seriously they are not centre bounce ruckman and can JUST BARELY pinch hit around the grounds.

I'll aggree that perhpas Hampson needs to add a bit of weight to lower the rick of injury, but Aisakie & Jacobs are pretty solid boys (jacobs especially).
Aisakie is better around the ground so he'd get my preference next to Jacobs who is experienced in playing with the big boys or Hampson who has an amazing leap.

If our #2 AND #3 ruckman our out..........................i don't see a downside to it.

PROMOTE AISAKIE~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I dont know if he is in the game plan or just out of position all the time. Hawthorn can get the ball to a 5-11 Mark Williams no worries and Carlton struggle to get it to Fev or a 6-5 JK, doesnt make sense how our forwardline is setup.

If a CHF at 6-5 has only 17 marks in 6 games then something is wrong with the gameplan or the player. I dont think its the player but thats useless stats for KPP.

He could play in the ruck l guess but would prefer Whitnall in there if no one else comes into the team. But it wouldnt be a bad idea for JK to have a run around the field, even if he doesnt get a tap hes not that much off cloke n ackland

Whitnall in the ruck

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I hear ya
Brothers of Destruction should unite

Carlton arent going to be a force this year, but next year with stevo back and younger players a year older we should be pushing for the finals.

Its not that far from the bottom to 8th spot.
We were in there after round 1

No seriously....Whitnall in the ruck?

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he's short and can't jump, he's fine round the ground because his body work is second to none. He knows how to plant his arse in the area where people want to jump from and they can't jump over him, but in the center he has to stay behind his line and can't get touch until the opposing ruck is already in the air. Our best option given the circumstances is Ackland in the center with Lance at the stoppages, that said I love to see Hampson given a run.

He would do ok frees up JK in the forwardline. Its how bad our ruck stocks are if we dont play the younger players
Your options are Ackland = 100% ruck the game
or Kouta, Kennedy or Whitnall ruck if u dont bring in Alaske or Hampson

Whitnall did well in the 3rd qtr rucking against the bombers, he started the revival to smash the bombers by a couple points

Best win for years

I remember the days there was only one ruckmen per game
Good old Harry Madden days haha