This might be the single worst thread I have read.

Tyrant get off your high horse and stop calling people Richmond supporters just because you dont agree with them. No one is saying Kennedy is better the Deleca.

Just that we are rushing Kennedy's development. At the moment no matter what you say Kennedy isn't improving being played in the AFL he has played his best football in the VFL kicking bags of goals and taking marks.

Deluca didn't retire he was given an option to leave on his terms or be desisted. As a previous poster mentioned he isn't with one of the big 4 accountants anymore Might of been a good story at the time.

If we had given Deluca one more year extension I wouldn't have been to upset but I can see you are.

He might have been laterally hired by one of the other big 4 but he is no longer at the Big 4 firm he was at whilst he was playing for Carlton.

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My point exactly. They dont kick the ball to him so would you rather a small forward like gibbs for example picking up fev's spoils or rather Kennedy leading and not getting the ball kicked to him.

Until the gameplan is changed he wont be any value to Carlton.

I called people North Melbourne supporters... which, if you newbies were a bit more across the history of the site, you would see that it was a tongue-in-cheek application of the oft-tread argument that making an unpopular commentary on the team equates you with being a supporter of a less fortunate club.

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I can hardly wait for the thread:

"how do we beat Murphy's tags? De-list him and bring back Scott Freeborn... no team would want to tag him!"

Goltzeburg, you might want to lay off the humorous new thread angle for a while.... especially on the main page which is already littered with nonsense threads

try talking stuff

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I thought DeLuca retired?????????????????

Even still, i am not worried in the slightest regarding our Ruck situation!

Ackland is now forced to step-up, and if he doesn't....................drop him! Quite simple really. If we continue to play him after strings of pathetic performances he will get into a mindset of 'not caring' how he plays cause he knows he'll be there next week.

I'd be putting Kennedy Up forward, RIGHT in the goal Square! If we're gonna continue this 'bombing inside 50 and hoping for the best' style of play, at least put a 196cm bulky player down there & not a 187cm Gibbs (like what we did on Friday night)

If need be, and ONLY if you MUST, Kennedy can ruck for throw-ins and ball ups INSIDE the 50 arc only!

For the centre, Use Ackland with one of our youths to relieve him every so often. My preference would be Aisakie..............i have so much faith in this kid. A spot in the senior side will only add to his hunger!


We also just happen to have a 199cm monster of a man down back who can help out at times. Pagan should have used him in the ruck last friday instead of throwing him up forward.

It seems to be a growing trend that if somebody is having a bad game and is not getting much of the ball, Pagan's gonna throw them into the ruck. Regarless if i think that's right or wrong, WHY didn't he trial it with Setanta?

Setanta played in the ruck with the Bullants and i thought he held his spot quite well. I wouldn't use him as our #1 ruckman but a back-up would be great.

We have options...............this Cloke injury is not the end of the world!

YES - Hampson & Aisakie are young, but sometimes it takes a big stage for a player to make an impact and there is no bigger stage than a Carlton Vs Collingwood game?


What's the worst that can happen? What would really be so bad to play either Aisakie or Hampson?

Worst case scenario? They get slaughtered............30 hit-outs to nothing and they get dropped the next week? Sure, maybe, and no doubt their confidence would be shot to shit.

But (aisakie especially) these are very detirmined young men and they would take the thrill of playing infront of 60-70k people on the greatest ground in the world back to the two's with them & it will only make them hungrier & more determined to get back to the seniors!

I watched Jacobs play at least half a dozen times in the SANFL last year and was shocked as to why he wasn't drafted, and was exstatic when we picked him as our rookie.
Sure, he needs work, & can run out of energy at times, but he can hold his own with the big boys and his tap work is very good!

Aisakie..............Hampson.................Jacobs..............................

We just need to have faith in these boys and take a risk! I believe they are all capable of it!

To make my point..................................

ALL 3 OF THEM WOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN DELUCA!!!!!

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I think we should have persisted with Darren Tarczon instead of Brett Ratten...

I'd consider promoting Aisake.... perhaps not this week but he wouldnt' be far off if Cloke's injury is v.serious

Aisake is a freak...... he's basically Buddy Franklin but without the timing and freakish kicking at goal skills (yet)...... I think we should almost just roll the dice and try and get some minutes into him this year once its obvious the season's a write off (ie, now)

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Great Post Ryan some good points in there I agree with your above post 100 %.

But they are all at least a year away from playing senior footy.

If Cloke is a long term injury one of these blokes will defentely get a go this year.

All the best to however takes the next step up.

It's should have.

But that's the only problem I have with the thread.

Oh and the bit about DeLuca.

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who says they're a year off playing senior footy?

If someone can prove to me that Hampson's body will snap in half if he plays half of each match in the seniors (as opposed to the bullants), I would certainly love to be proven wrong.

Will he die in the firsts? Is he more likely to be injured? (ie, do we have a duty of care NOT to promote him?)

Or are we saying its a confidence thing.... that he might after a couple of fumbles become a quivering mess from shell-shock.......

Thats about player management. Pagan can totally nurse these players through their senior experience if he needs to. Thats what a good coach does. If they have off days let them know its not the end of the world, that they have a career at the club and if they keep running into the right places and abiding by team rules, the MC are happy with their performance, irrespective of some dropped marks.......

What do you guys want out of this season??? finals?? top 4?? premiership??

Will Cloke and Ackland help us get there? Will playing with a fresh player who's output is lower (we assume) prevent what we want to achieve this year??

Do we have a duty of care not to play Hampson due to an untennable risk of injury?? What about Aisake who's a bit older and bulkier??

PERSPECTIVE PLEASE!

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With these neophyte ruckmen, I'd invoke the Guy Richards test.

Are they better or worse?

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Deluca left for London a couple of weeks ago.

Deluca was worth the late pick given his size but in 2006 he proved he wasnt a ruckman, wasnt a key forward, and wasnt even a half forward flanker.

Good on him for making the decision and moving on. It probably saved us another year or 2 with a player who didn't / wouldn't make it.

I'm just trying to fit in with all the crap threads like lets put Lance in the bullants. The Lance bashers arent saying much now are they.

The amount of crap threads l see each week l think this thread is on par with the rest.

and its Mr Goltzenberg to you too

Deluca retiring was the best decision made by a Carlton person since Barassi decided to put Hopkins on after half time in 1970.

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

So, why don't you try and be part of the solution and not add to the problem?

This site is as much yours as anyone elses, and you make it what you want. If you want it to be full of crap threads, then make crap threads. If you want it to be full of informed football discussion, then lead with informed football discussion.

You might want to start by responding to my question, if you have an opinion on the topic, about the actual reason why we wouldnt, say, promote Hampson or Aisake this week to come-in for Cloke.

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Ackland and Cloke are crap ruckmen

Give Alaske and Hampson a crack if they are ready, atleast blood potential ruckmen that can take the blues to the next stage. We are getting smashed in the middle each week, it all starts with the ruck

If you keep doing what your doing, then your going to keep getting what your getting till you change something.

Well Pagan the coach of Carlton has stated that Aisakie is a year off from playing footy.

Jacobs is a rookie which means if all players are fully fit then he cannot play senior footy anyway. We have elevated two rookies already and only Steven will be out for the whole year so it will be hard for Jacobs to make it but not impossible not sure if he has played any Bullants senoior games yet he did well in the bullants reserves.

And Hampson is probably the only really chance to get a few games this year although he was probably the forth choice ruckman at the start of the year due to injuries he might be the second choice. But he hasnt been banging on the door hard enough in the Bullants to wake up our sleepy coach Pagan

Happy with that tyrant?

Pies brought in Toovey, Cox and Goldsag straightaway , little boys and they all played well.

We got nothing to lose by playing a young ruckman. This is why your supercoach team is no match for mine Blueboy8, no guts no glory