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pffft. Big woopy doo what Baum thinks. Lets just keep working away. Yes he was beaten but he wasn't disgraced.

But I do look forward to Baum writing a 'gone' article if Brown does the same to say Fletcher or Scarlett. :-D

Baum by this standard would have said the same thing about a young S Silvagni when Plugger kicked 10 on him at Moorabin.

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But I do look forward to Baum writing a 'gone' article if Brown does the same to say Fletcher or Scarlett. :-D


He did a couple of years back when Browny came back from a spell. Kicked 8 i think. But hey, Fletch doesn't wear navy and isn't from Ireland... :roll:

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Sporn shut down Hird, won RS nomination.

There's the things you see, things you feel and a whole lotta stuff in between.
Never really felt Sporn would be a star, always have gfelt Setanta will be..

There's a reason so many people are cheering GB...yes there is...

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First post since Saturday's game...still gutted!!

Setanta did well to keep Brown interested in finding the ball in not so dangerous places. As for Brony's 3 goals, 2 of them were just eye of a needle stuff.

So what if a FF kicks 3 goals?...that may have been only 1 if Browny had the heebee geebees like last week.

Setanta was tagging a star midfielder playing from FF.

Baum's article is strange indeed. Lacks balance, understanding and reasoning. It's just a biased article from an unpleasant fellow who is on angry pills.

I cannot believe that this journo has got it in for Setanta. What's the excuse?

A very cruel article.

Inconsiderate, and lacking perspective: a 15 game player whose played the game for 4 years, against the premier triple premiership player and CHF/ FF.

As for the stuff about Whitnall, with reference to his legal matters, and baiting the umpires to give 100 metre penalties against Setanta are very low indeed.

I was a fan of Greg Baum's, but now I've seen his true colours.

You've lost me Greg...now would you get lost!

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It might interest you to know that the club, which was recently aligned with the Age has done a deal with the Hun - hence the venom coming from the flower.

Hell hath no fury, like a bastard scorned.

The order to unleash the venom might be coming from high up.

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@#$%&! greg baum, there i said it.

Santy, brings something to our side we have been sorely lacking for sometime, and i can only hope that a few look at him at times and actually take it on themselves.

and that is agression

he doesnt take a step back, the bigger the scalp, the harder he goes.

this is something we have sorley lacked.

Its not about going out and belting everyone around, but its a presence, the people he play on knows he is going to step up (like J. Brown) his team mates know he wont take a step backwards, and so will his opponents (we have already seen this effect on those who suffer in the h"heart" department a.k.a Monga Stare down)

but he has that agression. So your J. Brown, the best CHF in the comp, @#$%&! that, lets ave it.

And its not faux brutality like bum said it was, i dont think Santy would have to much concerns "if it kicked off"

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It might interest you to know that the club, which was recently aligned with the Age has done a deal with the Hun - hence the venom coming from the flower.

Hell hath no fury, like a bastard scorned.

The order to unleash the venom might be coming from high up.


So are we going to be offered a cheap subscription like we had with the Age? Aints supporters get a year of The Age for about $40 I think

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It might interest you to know that the club, which was recently aligned with the Age has done a deal with the Hun - hence the venom coming from the flower.

Hell hath no fury, like a bastard scorned.

The order to unleash the venom might be coming from high up.


So are we going to be offered a cheap subscription like we had with the Age? Aints supporters get a year of The Age for about $40 I think


Not from what I have been told.

It costs the Hun too much to do that as the Age is light on pages and does not cost as much to print copies for members.

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Id imagine this writer is trying to divert attention away from the fact the collingwood folk all squeal when that bogan Thomas touches the ball and his possies generally are complete stuff ups or meaningless 15 metre backpasses.

We all know that would make a great story. It seems this writer has a problem with his Carlton mates always pointing out the Thomas situation. So much so he has decided to fabricate a story out of half truths to get them back.

Dud writer who has been soundly beaten by Sheahan this week. Needs to take a hard look at himself or else he will find himself on the scrap heap.

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Pffft! Who cares? In two years time Carlos will be a star and Greg Baum will still be a second rate journalist.


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Bee wrote:
Pffft! Who cares? In two years time Carlos will be a star and Greg Baum will still be a second rate journalist.


ahh the "Drunk Vs Fat and ugly" analogy...

I love it
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I am aware that Greg Baum was criticised by people within The Age for this article.

An excerpt of an email which Baum sent in order to defend himself is below;

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Thanks for your note. I'm concerned that the Setanta story is running away from everyone, that we want him to succeed because he is Irish, with a striking name and a good story. That should and will not excuse him from scrutiny as a footballer. He was utterly thrashed on Saturday night; that is incontestable. Yes, there are reasons, as there were and are for others. But when you are in the big league, you will be judged by your performance. If he becomes the footballer some say he will _ I have my doubts _ I will be glad to praise him then.


I also think his constant manhandling of opponents 100 metres from the ball is not only childish, but against the rules, and that one day a strong umpire will make that point to him. I bear him no personal animosity _ I don't know him _ but would be remiss in my job if I thought this and did not say so.

Regards

Greg Baum



It appears that Baum has received a fair bit of flack for the article - rightly so.

It is also apparent that he has a bias against Setanta.

There are plenty of other players who regularly do things which are against the rules, but Baum has not written critical articles against them - surely he is bieng "remiss in his job" by not doing so. eg taggers constantly holding onto their opponents - I look forward to a Baum article about Stephen Baker & others. Very biased journalist.

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
I am aware that Greg Baum was criticised by people within The Age for this article.

An excerpt of an email which Baum sent in order to defend himself is below;

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Thanks for your note. I'm concerned that the Setanta story is running away from everyone, that we want him to succeed because he is Irish, with a striking name and a good story. That should and will not excuse him from scrutiny as a footballer. He was utterly thrashed on Saturday night; that is incontestable. Yes, there are reasons, as there were and are for others. But when you are in the big league, you will be judged by your performance. If he becomes the footballer some say he will _ I have my doubts _ I will be glad to praise him then.


I also think his constant manhandling of opponents 100 metres from the ball is not only childish, but against the rules, and that one day a strong umpire will make that point to him. I bear him no personal animosity _ I don't know him _ but would be remiss in my job if I thought this and did not say so.

Regards

Greg Baum



It appears that Baum has received a fair bit of flack for the article - rightly so.

It is also apparent that he has a bias against Setanta.

There are plenty of other players who regularly do things which are against the rules, but Baum has not written critical articles against them - surely he is bieng "remiss in his job" by not doing so. eg taggers constantly holding onto their opponents - I look forward to a Baum article about Stephen Baker & others. Very biased journalist.


What a [REDACTED] :roll:


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What's childish is players who whinge and complain whenever a free kick is paid against them or not paid to them which the Hairpin certainly does not do.


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Ockham's Razor wrote:
I am aware that Greg Baum was criticised by people within The Age for this article.

An excerpt of an email which Baum sent in order to defend himself is below;

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Thanks for your note. I'm concerned that the Setanta story is running away from everyone, that we want him to succeed because he is Irish, with a striking name and a good story. That should and will not excuse him from scrutiny as a footballer. He was utterly thrashed on Saturday night; that is incontestable. Yes, there are reasons, as there were and are for others. But when you are in the big league, you will be judged by your performance. If he becomes the footballer some say he will _ I have my doubts _ I will be glad to praise him then.


I also think his constant manhandling of opponents 100 metres from the ball is not only childish, but against the rules, and that one day a strong umpire will make that point to him. I bear him no personal animosity _ I don't know him _ but would be remiss in my job if I thought this and did not say so.

Regards

Greg Baum



It appears that Baum has received a fair bit of flack for the article - rightly so.

It is also apparent that he has a bias against Setanta.

There are plenty of other players who regularly do things which are against the rules, but Baum has not written critical articles against them - surely he is bieng "remiss in his job" by not doing so. eg taggers constantly holding onto their opponents - I look forward to a Baum article about Stephen Baker & others. Very biased journalist.


This is gold!

he is a deadset tosser, surely the hun could give this story a run, a journalist with a personal vendetta against a player..''

interesting stuff.


ANyone got Baum's email address?

We should let him know how we feel.... 8)

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As pointless as it is and as minor as it is, I couldn't resist sending this email to Mr Baum, no doubt hitting his trash almost as it arrives:
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I understand you have had plenty of mail re this article
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/l ... 52803.html and it's snippy, pompous dismissal of Setanta o'hAilpin's pretensions as a footballer.

You conveniently fail to analyse the performance beyond the statistics and Setanta's alleged 'faux brutality'. This involved some minor hoppo bumpo as delivered by most defenders in the League, and delivered to Setanta by Richo in the first round prior to the first bounce. But I don't expect a respected journalist to bother researching three weeks back.

Perhaps an analyst could have looked at the way the game was played, very open, no flooding and no double teaming and mused on when was the last time Jon Brown had been given that sort of space to work in, and further mused on which great defender would have been able to get near his marks on the lead in those circumstances. An analyst may have sort comparison with a similarly experienced defender on a quality forward, say Zac Dawson on Rocca et al. You could have considered the progress of a 15 game player who hadn't touched a footy by the time Jon Brown had 3 premiership medallions, but who has to take on the best forward every week with no cover and no flooding. That would have all taken time though, and after all it is much easier to be provocative than analytical.

You may have considered the strength of character required to come across the world to play a foreign game when most locals whinge if they have to move interstate. You may have been intrigued by a man who speaks 3 languages and has worked on New York building sites as well as played in an All Ireland hurling Final and been impressed with a breadth of experience virtually never found in local players.

You may have considered how difficult it would be struggling with a foreign game in a foreign land, getting hammered as a totally inexperienced forward in the VFL, getting bumped and scragged, putting up with ridicule as you slowly honed your game. Putting up with comments about the colour of your skin. ( I heard an oppo VFL player asking him about how long he'd been under a sun lamp etc. remarks that would be rightly abhored and acted upon if said to an indigenous player, but had to be endured by an Irishman with Fijian heritage).

If you could be bothered doing any research, and I am not suggesting you ever are, but if you were then you would undoubtably have viewed the enchanting Irish doco on the o'hAilpin brothers. Shown on Irish TV, it is easily available on the Internet, but it might take ten minutes or so to find and half an hour to watch and after all there is lunch to eat and more important things to worry about than being fully informed.

And you are after all provocative, and the hallmark of that approach is selective and exaggerated use of material unfettered by intelligent analysis or research. You have apparently inherited the mantle from the abysmal Patrick Smith. You write better, you probably couldn't bowl as fast, but might have had a less dodgy action. You probably don't have a chip on your shoulder about missing Victorian selection. Maybe you just don't like the Irish. Your use of the term sounds like a perjorative.

To paraphrase a poster on a Carlton website, your journalism won't improve, but Setanta surely will. So get in now and ridicule him whenever he makes an error, or whenever the best CHF of his generation beats him. When he has two years under his belt and is a star, ignore him. If he doesn't become a star, don't analyse reasons, just attack him, after all, that is easy.


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Good work Gerry,

He will respond to your email, he will tell you it was an opinion piece and not an analysis of the game. He will also go on to tell you that plenty of others have written about Setanta's rise from Hurling to AFL. He will go on to tell you that if & when Setanta makes it he will write about his success.

All of this doesn't change the fact that his article is a biased piece of shit.

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gerry atric wrote:
As pointless as it is and as minor as it is, I couldn't resist sending this email to Mr Baum, no doubt hitting his trash almost as it arrives:
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I understand you have had plenty of mail re this article
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/l ... 52803.html and it's snippy, pompous dismissal of Setanta o'hAilpin's pretensions as a footballer.

You conveniently fail to analyse the performance beyond the statistics and Setanta's alleged 'faux brutality'. This involved some minor hoppo bumpo as delivered by most defenders in the League, and delivered to Setanta by Richo in the first round prior to the first bounce. But I don't expect a respected journalist to bother researching three weeks back.

Perhaps an analyst could have looked at the way the game was played, very open, no flooding and no double teaming and mused on when was the last time Jon Brown had been given that sort of space to work in, and further mused on which great defender would have been able to get near his marks on the lead in those circumstances. An analyst may have sort comparison with a similarly experienced defender on a quality forward, say Zac Dawson on Rocca et al. You could have considered the progress of a 15 game player who hadn't touched a footy by the time Jon Brown had 3 premiership medallions, but who has to take on the best forward every week with no cover and no flooding. That would have all taken time though, and after all it is much easier to be provocative than analytical.

You may have considered the strength of character required to come across the world to play a foreign game when most locals whinge if they have to move interstate. You may have been intrigued by a man who speaks 3 languages and has worked on New York building sites as well as played in an All Ireland hurling Final and been impressed with a breadth of experience virtually never found in local players.

You may have considered how difficult it would be struggling with a foreign game in a foreign land, getting hammered as a totally inexperienced forward in the VFL, getting bumped and scragged, putting up with ridicule as you slowly honed your game. Putting up with comments about the colour of your skin. ( I heard an oppo VFL player asking him about how long he'd been under a sun lamp etc. remarks that would be rightly abhored and acted upon if said to an indigenous player, but had to be endured by an Irishman with Fijian heritage).

If you could be bothered doing any research, and I am not suggesting you ever are, but if you were then you would undoubtably have viewed the enchanting Irish doco on the o'hAilpin brothers. Shown on Irish TV, it is easily available on the Internet, but it might take ten minutes or so to find and half an hour to watch and after all there is lunch to eat and more important things to worry about than being fully informed.

And you are after all provocative, and the hallmark of that approach is selective and exaggerated use of material unfettered by intelligent analysis or research. You have apparently inherited the mantle from the abysmal Patrick Smith. You write better, you probably couldn't bowl as fast, but might have had a less dodgy action. You probably don't have a chip on your shoulder about missing Victorian selection. Maybe you just don't like the Irish. Your use of the term sounds like a perjorative.

To paraphrase a poster on a Carlton website, your journalism won't improve, but Setanta surely will. So get in now and ridicule him whenever he makes an error, or whenever the best CHF of his generation beats him. When he has two years under his belt and is a star, ignore him. If he doesn't become a star, don't analyse reasons, just attack him, after all, that is easy.


Yeah, well, you're just an uninformed Carlton supporter so what would you know.

Regards,
Greg Baum.

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Electric Blue wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
I am aware that Greg Baum was criticised by people within The Age for this article.

An excerpt of an email which Baum sent in order to defend himself is below;

Quote:
Thanks for your note. I'm concerned that the Setanta story is running away from everyone, that we want him to succeed because he is Irish, with a striking name and a good story. That should and will not excuse him from scrutiny as a footballer. He was utterly thrashed on Saturday night; that is incontestable. Yes, there are reasons, as there were and are for others. But when you are in the big league, you will be judged by your performance. If he becomes the footballer some say he will _ I have my doubts _ I will be glad to praise him then.


I also think his constant manhandling of opponents 100 metres from the ball is not only childish, but against the rules, and that one day a strong umpire will make that point to him. I bear him no personal animosity _ I don't know him _ but would be remiss in my job if I thought this and did not say so.

Regards

Greg Baum



It appears that Baum has received a fair bit of flack for the article - rightly so.

It is also apparent that he has a bias against Setanta.

There are plenty of other players who regularly do things which are against the rules, but Baum has not written critical articles against them - surely he is bieng "remiss in his job" by not doing so. eg taggers constantly holding onto their opponents - I look forward to a Baum article about Stephen Baker & others. Very biased journalist.


This is gold!

he is a deadset tosser, surely the hun could give this story a run, a journalist with a personal vendetta against a player..''

interesting stuff.


ANyone got Baum's email address?

We should let him know how we feel.... 8)



here you go EB: gbaum@theage.com.au

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