so what colour hybrid do you drive?

Whoooosh.....

I would love to 'get' this, please explain?

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

Is this turning into a global warming thread?

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They coud'nt.....could they?

I can't believe we are having a vote about tanking or not tanking lol

Has St Kilda won a GF from all their draft picks, that is no

Blues need to learn how to win this year not how to loose. Gotta get that winning spirit back at the club, the arrogance

Whoever would want carlton to tank for draft picks obviously hasnt hurt much the past couple years.

Blues are looking at finals next year, need a few wins this year to propel them into next years season. Gibbsy came here to win premier ship not spoons. He will go back to crows if we not successful.

I'm thinking about our list after todays game and am sorry to say but we have a LONG way to go.

Those of you who want us to win more than 4 games this season dont truly care about the club.

We need more young guns. Our current list of youngsters aremy good enough.

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Walk on, Walk on,
With hope, in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone,
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!!!

08/02/1981 - GATE 7...Our brothers will never be forgotten!!!

Nice post.

And exactly where were you last week?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

They are good, it's just that they are still teenagers and shouldn't be asked to chase two of the top 5 players in the comp around.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

We dont have the list to move forward.

Why is that so hard to see???

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Walk on, Walk on,
With hope, in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone,
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!!!

08/02/1981 - GATE 7...Our brothers will never be forgotten!!!

If you seriously think we don't have the list to move forward, or the foundations of a good to great list, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I take it you don't think we've improved one iota since last year?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

what are you talking about?

Nope, South Park joke, methinks.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

GAVROMAN wrote:


Ahhh so lets get 1st round pics for the next 5 years and you will still complain that we dont have the list when there experience lets them down in a game. We lack quality leaders and senior players and Westcoast is one team which will expose us on that.

At this stage it would be good to mix in some experienced players of quality to help guide and grow our young fleet of stars.

We have been severly exposed with Stevo goin down and Kouta out for an extended period. With Lance struggling in his own form. We are left with Fev, Lappin and Scotland.

This is our list of Senior Players over 25
Kouta - Last year and not playing at present
Fev - Playing but has a lot of pressure on him every week.
Whitnall - Captain and struggling in his own form lucky to be getting a game
Scotto - Been good on his own game strong in defence
Lappin - Last 2 games been good which i am glad has found some form.
Stevo - Our best onfield leader especially for our young midfield kids out for season
Teague - Not even in seniors
Saddington - Not even in seniors

Pretty thin line up to guiding our kids especially when only 3 or Whits, Scotto and Fev are playing and one is horribly out of form.

Out of the Westcoast team and lets include 2 exceptions for what they are
Judd and Kerr yep 24 but seasoned veterens and 2 best midfielders in competition.
Add to over 25 List - Cox, Glass, Braun, Stenglein, Chick, Jones, Embly, Hunter and Wirrupunda.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

gavroman read my post on page 2 again.

then look at how great our some of our high draft picks have turned out (hmm murray vance? luke livingstone? sporn?) they mean better odds in the lottery, not the guranteed jackpot.

an array of wooden spoons is no pre requisite for success, none of the top clubs right now hav won any recent wooden spoons.

finally wheres your pride?there is no way you can be enjoying our 6th year down the bottom. Where the greatest club in the world remember?

your a flower mate i reckon you should stick to soccer

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thats pretty bad-ass!

If our recruiters actually became clever then perhaps the idea of tanking might not be raised so much.

I find it highly ironic that the proponents of the "our list is good enough already" or "with clever recruiting, it will be" theory fail to acknowledge that most of the improvement of our list is coming from priority selections. Apart from the O'hAilpins; (which cost us virtually nothing) since when has our recruiting been especially brave or 'clever' for that matter? We haven't had a Vance or Massie or a Livingstone for a while now (we hope ), nevertheless, the list of players we should have drafted continues to grow.

If those same Carlton fans I referred to in my second sentence were more critical or constructive regarding some of our drafting selections and recruiting tactics then I'd give them more respect. Instead, all we get is that same old ‘Catch-22’ regarding Vance and Massie and the like.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Simpson.

Bentick.

Carazzo.

Simpson.

Were they high draft picks?

Players like these are responsible for us improving and moving up as much as the Murphys and Gibbs'.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Carlton must concentrate in trying to secure two or three top players With some mongrel in them from the National AFL Draft next year and forget that stupid idea about that no player over twenty four years old will be picked up as in my opinion that was the most stupid idea the Club made last year, this year the Club must concentrate on the center halfback position as both Waite and Whitnall were found wanted so far and I just cant understand why Saddington is not playing in that possition yet.

We need more strong experience players in the side and what do we do we loose Stevens and then we add another kid in Joe Anderson now I’m not knocking the kid but I feel we have too many kids in the side as it is, Saddington and/or Bannister should have been in as they would have balanced the side better.

Were I feel Clubs like St Kilda Geelong etc. gone wrong in recent years was that they just concentrated in youth alone and forgot about the balance that a team must have, teams must have experienced strong bodies to go with these young kids otherwise you will burn half of these players before they had time to mature.

alright, this guy is a troll/alt of another member.

had to be with such statements.

but this is what i liked most

i point out this one word - youngsters.

its simple, twice, when we play a side with mature bodies, we are shown to be the young side we are.

even then, i dont think it was as bad as it was on the score board.

the third quater cost us, not them scoring, but us missing goals.

there was a stage where we "should" have been under 2 goals of WC instead we found ourselves 8 goals down.

The passage.

1. When Waite scored the goal was dissallowed. (Result, they went down and scored - 2 goal turn around)

2. Murphy Shot on Goal, missed. (result, they went down and scored, 2 goal turn around)

3. Waite shot on goal, should have scored (Result, they went down and scored - 2 goal turn around)

At that stage in the game, if we had of taken our chances, the result would have been a WC lead of no more than 2 goals.

That was where the game was won and lost. Instead of being 2 goals down, we where 8 goals down.

We, as a young side, need to learn to take our chances when we did, and against sides like WC, you dont get two chances.

We have a long way to go, and loses to Geelong & WC, show us that, and show us how far we have to go, but we are headed in the right directions. At times we where good, at times we are bad.

Jackovish, summed it up perfectly IMO.

his statement was something along the lines, Carlton has to learn that the difference between their best and their worst is very little (like WC). Once they learn that, they have the talent to win and beat most sides in the comp.

Our best, with the current team (which will only get better with age and experience) is as good as any side going around, yes, even WC IMO, however our worst, is alsto the worst in the competition.

We dont need to climb that gap to make our best as good as WC, we need to climb our gap that makes our worst, better than what it is, and that, will come with time, and experience.

p.s. Pagan. Why? Why do you have Waite in the forward line when he was killing it in the NAB across half back. Move him back, leave Kennedy on the ground with Fev up front and let the side develop.

p.p.s. If we can take a positive, its that Gibbs, Murphy, Russell all got a glimps of what is need to be an elite footballer having played on Kerr or Judd. Learn from it, see how they do things, and they all have the potential to be as good.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

i reckon the three shining lights for us this year (in terms of consistancy) have been Thornton, O'Halphin & Fisher........................

Two were rookies & one was a late pick in the 70's.
It was just good old fashioned recruiting.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

No, good recruiting is more important as the following quote proves.
Eagles can play, but must they also pay?

We'd be better off trading Fisher and Waite for good second round picks because they're not as good as their reputations suggest.

It worked for the Hawks.