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Should Kernahan be removed from the Board of the Club?
Yes 37%  37%  [ 22 ]
No 63%  63%  [ 37 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:23 pm 
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Clem i dont think your intentions where poor i just suggested that bringin in Hitler was in appropriate

What you have suggested of your opinion on Kernahan is enough to make a fair point.

I dont agree but have no issues with your opinion.

I guess i am more getting dis-illusioned with the coaching of Pagan and his scuffle with Mitchell

I rather see the back of Pagan and Mitchell at this point in time than Kernahan.

Also ultimately i believe Pratt has the most influence and will certainly influence decisions where he feels that his influence is required.

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What is wrong with showing someone loyalty


What is wrong with holding board members and match committee members accountable for their performance, or lack thereof?

Who said that showing an ex champion player loyalty equals a free ride on the board or as an MC member?

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Pratt has only 1 vote amongst 12 and clearly he can be outvoted. The President gets to run the Board Meeting and might have a casting vote, but that's about it.



Technically your are right.

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Pratt has only 1 vote amongst 12 and clearly he can be outvoted. The President gets to run the Board Meeting and might have a casting vote, but that's about it.



Technically your are right.

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just goes to show about some people....

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weak as piss some of you. I'm ashamed to be a Carlton supporter this week....

Week as piss//

At least the players and coach are trying, cheap shots from the stands are worth nothing..


WEAK AS PISS! :twisted: :evil:

I am so over you cauliflower/

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Synbad wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Indie wrote:
Pratt has only 1 vote amongst 12 and clearly he can be outvoted. The President gets to run the Board Meeting and might have a casting vote, but that's about it.



Technically your are right.

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just goes to show about some people....

And just what does it show?????

But it's good to see that you've been moved to post something that doesn't involve Lance ;-)


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Why is it that people confuse the use of analogy with support/promotion of evil.

Dead set this thread is like the Jehovah scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian.

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Deano Supremo wrote:
Why is it that people confuse the use of analogy with support/promotion of evil.

Dead set this thread is like the Jehovah scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian.


Evil is bad???? :?:


What sort of a world do we live in!!! :shock:

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weak as piss some of you. I'm ashamed to be a Carlton supporter this week....

Week as piss//

At least the players and coach are trying, cheap shots from the stands are worth nothing..


WEAK AS PISS! :twisted: :evil:

I am so over you flower/


And you want to take cheap shots at other supporters whom you've never met from behind a computer screen...yeah, that's courageous isn't it...

As supporters, we might have a view - but we're TRYING (in your parlance) to make the club more professional.

Basically what you're saying is that we can't do what an external consultant would do and try to highlight flaws in our club and trying to have them fixed.

We're not premiers - it's not like we have a good structure.

Your acceptance of mediocrity is disappointing.

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give it a rest
sticks in his position as director oversees the footbll department.
if he wasn't on the match commitee, he would still be overseeing the match commitee.
drawing paralels with kernahan and hitler is just LOL


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No-one drew a parralel between Kernahan and Hitler.

Clem was stating that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and used Hitler as an example. This does not mean he endorses Hitler or his actions, this does not mean he thinks Kernahan is going to invade Poland.

Good intentions do not always equal good actions.

Are you people always so literal? If so, how the hell do you negotiate day-to-day life?

Sheesh.

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what is it with you guys from nsw? :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:20 am 
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CarltonClem wrote:
I'm going to get shot down for this.

After Smorgon was dumped by the members, the next to go has to be Kernahan. The fact that he has so much influence at board level is becoming a liability. One could argue that without Kernahan and Gleeson, this Pagan/Mitchell situation would not have occurred.

It is clear that person friendships and deals for mates are clouding the judgment ofsome board members at the club and having deleterious effects on the professionalism and administrative areas of the Club.

Here is Kernahan on one hand being part of the Board that told Pagan that Elshaug and Mulkearns had to go and then he's on the radio a couple of months later telling us that they shouldn't have been sacked.

Quite seriously, if it wasn't for the feats that Kernahan accomplished in his 258 games with the Club, we and the members would view his performance as ordinary and even disappointing.

Kernahan is now the only common factor between the demise of the Club since 2002 and the current workings of the Club and the lack of professionalism that in some areas still ravages the Club.

As Chair of the Match Committee and now V-P, he is compromised.

I know it's a hard decision, but it has to be done. I hope Pratt can see that Kernahan is now a major liability on the Club.
I'm very happy to keep Sticks. If Pagan hadn't done such a poor job over the last 4 years the "Pagan/Mitchell" would not have been an issue. Mitchell's supported for a reason and to use the "mates" thing is very simplistic. They won't sack Mitchell for 2 reasons; 1)Pagan will be lucky to last the season and indicating by the fact Mitchell is being retained ; 2) Mitchell is doing an excellent job. If Pagan's only going to be here for a short term then why get rid of Mitchell. Lets face it, Pagan wouldn't be here if we could pay him out. Remember Mitchell is supported by Pratt as well. We can live with it for a season. Glad to see Sticks/Glesson/Pratt have stuck to their guns and , not bowed to the "useless one's" demands and kept Mitchell. In business you keep the good employees and p1ss of the bad one's.


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"I don't know if it was my place to apologise, but I felt I needed to say something on behalf of the board and the way we behaved and handled our job when what our job was was to quietly support the footy team. But it was a disaster.

Wonder who said that?


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winfieldblue wrote:
give it a rest
sticks in his position as director oversees the footbll department.
if he wasn't on the match commitee, he would still be overseeing the match commitee.
drawing paralels with kernahan and hitler is just LOL


What part of conflict of interest do you not understand? Do you understand anything about corporate governance. Probably not.

As director he oversees the football department. But when he is part of that football department - that means he is effectively being held accountable - by who? yes...BY HIMSELF! :roll:

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Well if the 60% of the people in here have voted NO then it looks like there is no chance that Sticks will be votes out by the public.

Considering the general Carlton supports that don't come to this site love Sticks and dont care about all the political things.

The only time he will leave is when he steps down.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:25 am 
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jim wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
I'm going to get shot down for this.

After Smorgon was dumped by the members, the next to go has to be Kernahan. The fact that he has so much influence at board level is becoming a liability. One could argue that without Kernahan and Gleeson, this Pagan/Mitchell situation would not have occurred.

It is clear that person friendships and deals for mates are clouding the judgment ofsome board members at the club and having deleterious effects on the professionalism and administrative areas of the Club.

Here is Kernahan on one hand being part of the Board that told Pagan that Elshaug and Mulkearns had to go and then he's on the radio a couple of months later telling us that they shouldn't have been sacked.

Quite seriously, if it wasn't for the feats that Kernahan accomplished in his 258 games with the Club, we and the members would view his performance as ordinary and even disappointing.

Kernahan is now the only common factor between the demise of the Club since 2002 and the current workings of the Club and the lack of professionalism that in some areas still ravages the Club.

As Chair of the Match Committee and now V-P, he is compromised.

I know it's a hard decision, but it has to be done. I hope Pratt can see that Kernahan is now a major liability on the Club.
I'm very happy to keep Sticks. If Pagan hadn't done such a poor job over the last 4 years the "Pagan/Mitchell" would not have been an issue. Mitchell's supported for a reason and to use the "mates" thing is very simplistic. They won't sack Mitchell for 2 reasons; 1)Pagan will be lucky to last the season and indicating by the fact Mitchell is being retained ; 2) Mitchell is doing an excellent job. If Pagan's only going to be here for a short term then why get rid of Mitchell. Lets face it, Pagan wouldn't be here if we could pay him out. Remember Mitchell is supported by Pratt as well. We can live with it for a season. Glad to see Sticks/Glesson/Pratt have stuck to their guns and , not bowed to the "useless one's" demands and kept Mitchell. In business you keep the good employees and p1ss of the bad one's.


Sticks has to either let go of being either a Board member or Chair of the MC - he cannot do both and be independent. For all the railing against Collins - we're dealing with another conflict of interest within the Club structure!

jim, you know that I've been on the 'sack Pagan bandwagon' for a while now. I want him off the Board and on the MC or on the Board and off the MC.

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CarltonClem wrote:
winfieldblue wrote:
give it a rest
sticks in his position as director oversees the footbll department.
if he wasn't on the match commitee, he would still be overseeing the match commitee.
drawing paralels with kernahan and hitler is just LOL


What part of conflict of interest do you not understand? Do you understand anything about corporate governance. Probably not.

As director he oversees the football department. But when he is part of that football department - that means he is effectively being held accountable - by who? yes...BY HIMSELF! :roll:


what conflict of interest? :lol:
that's like saying a marketing director has no say in the sales force.
it just gets better. :lol:


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When does his term run out?

I'll ask the question again, does anybody know when Sticks' term on the board runs out?

I agree with you CC that Sticks has a huge COI and I think that he should step down from one of his roles (but I don't think that he shoud be pushed).

I've thought this for a long time, but there's no point discussing it.

You're banging your head against a brick wall with this one.

The average supporter can't see past "Sticks the greatest captain in the history of the game".

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i am sure you guys are able to see the flaws
whereas multi billionaires & corporate highflyers have no idea.
either the billionaired and corporate highflyers have been extremely lucky.
or you guys are living in delusions of grandeur.


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