Having re read the poll question, I think it should read "Should Sticks be removed from his football department position?" That is the issue, not his Board membership.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Pratt will speak to Kernahan and soon the only role this icon of the club will have is speaking at club and sponsors functions, and taking prospective star South Australian draftees to lunch.

Sticks is an icon of the club and should be used in those roles that suit him best.

I think he should @#$%&! THE REST of his club functions off.


How long does it take to decide which side of your toast to butter??

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

How are they offensive? I've clearly stated that I didn't think he was right. If you would like me to use another example, then I shall.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Some of us have wanted Kernahan to step down from (or be relieved of) his roles at the Club for some time KK.

AFAIC, most of the key issues at the Club have been resolved, or are in the process of being resolved.

There are 2 key issues that remain: 1. The coaching situation, and 2. Kernahan's role at the Club.

You are right KK, things are finally settling down at the Club, but there has been one issue that is still rearing its ugly head, and Kernahan is at the centre of it. Yet again.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

What a crock,

Worst week ever on here...

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

Just wait until next week if we loose against Essenscum....

Well you wont see much of me if this shit continues// next week.

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Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me

hmmm not sure where the similarity with Hiter came about kinda makes this poll pretty silly understand perhaps the sentiment just think very silly analogy to use

As for Kernahan ultimately Swan is emplyed by Pratt ... Pratt sounded out to Swan and got him from Collingwood and Swan wouldnt have come to the Blues if he wasnt able to do what he feels was best in the situation.

I doubt Pratt will allow the status quo to continue if things dont change.. Be assured that Pratt and Swan will monitor the situation and will step in if they feel that nothing changes and it is having a detrimental affect on the playing list /club.

I think the impact is made worse by the Media focus and attention and i think that both will be removed but i will still trust the judgement of what Pratt does in conjunction with Swan and if Pratt decides he know longer feels it is able to continue ... sticks or no Sticks i am certain he will act.

Remember Swan came on board and basically Pratt has told him to fix things up and do what he needs to do.. Perhaps Swan is being diplomatic at moment and keeping an eye on things if nothing changes or gets worse i am certain he will act regardless

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

I hope you are so right there Agro

Well, its not like you've issued similar threats before!!

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Technically that's not right, but in practice it may be.

Formally, the Board makes decisions over all contracts and can sack anyone including Pagan, Mitchell or Swann. It can also undo any attempt by Swann to sack Mitchell. While he is employed, Swann is an employee of the corporate entity known as Carlton Football Club which is controlled by the Board.

Pratt has only 1 vote amongst 12 and clearly he can be outvoted. The President gets to run the Board Meeting and might have a casting vote, but that's about it.

But it's obvious that Pratt has a great deal more power than Smorgon ever had. Pratt could threaten to walk if a vote goes against him, and the other directors would realise there'd be a lynch mob coming after them before the night's out. So as long as he doesn't do so too frequently, I'd say that the Board would rubber stamp a resolution he puts up if he makes it clear that it's non-negotiable from his point of view.

Sticks may well have a number of votes tied up for the moment, but the other directors (with the exception of Gleeson) would desert him in such a scenario.

At least 15 - 20 years to go. Suffer fools.

What is it with the comprehension levels of people here?

George W Bush has subjectively thought that going to war in Iraq was the best thing to do - he had good intentions, democracy for the people of Iraq, get rid of a dictator. But all it has done has destabilised the country, brought upon a civil war and exposed America and the rest of the world to greater Islamic anger and exposure to terrorist threats.

Or how about the subjective intentions of John Elliott were that we would get flags by breaching the salary cap? His good intentions were to try to keep the talent that we had at the club and keep the players happy. Unfortunately, that policy was wrong and breached the rules of the AFL. The argument there is that if we had won a premiership, it'd be worth it - again, too much shades of grey.

Honestly, some of you need to understand what's being written before you throw statements saying it's "silly".

If you are Jewish and are offended by the mere mention of the word Hitler, I'm sorry. Whilst not in the same league, Kernahan might have good intentions for the Club, but it doesn't mean it's right. He's come out with that media blast at the B&F which was ammunition for the press; he's jumped from ship to ship and knows he'll be okay because he's Kernahan.

For the record, I've wanted Kernahan gone for awhile. Think it's a knee jerk reaction? Ha! I wanted him gone before Smorgon. Getting Kernahan as VP was a shrewd but ultimately unsuccessful attempt by Graham to keep power. Hearing that Kernahan was VP was almost worse than Smorgon as president.

Keep Kernahan around on the match committee or whatever - but he cannot hold two conflicting positions where he is unaccountable. That's the point some of you, most notably Electric Blue are missing. This is rally against the lack of accountability that Kernahan on the board has.

Where did my poll say that he should be driven from the Club? It doesn't. It simply asks whether he should be on the Board.

Some of you apologists are so quick to jump the gun - firing all barrels at anything you see as an attempt to bring down the Club.

Well, hello, you might eventually realise that what I'm trying to do here is to bring to people's attention that for a better club, some accountability is needed for the Club to improve.

Apparently our club is beyond criticism. Apparently not criticising the club is going to make our club greater.

It's not the successes that you learn how to improve, it's the mistakes. The way some of you accept mediocrity not only in football terms but also administratively, quite frankly appalls me and to some extent explains why we are where we are today.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

CC got cranky.

dont start a poll asking if someone should be outed and expect everyone to agree CC.

the club owes sticks for his time as a player.
The club and the supporters owe him and elliott for going to Dickie and saying help .

The chances were without Dick we were heading the path of the Kangaroos .

Sticks can stay as long as he likes as far as I am concerned

despite the fact he talked Collins into signing Pagan for 3 more years

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Clem, you are preaching to the converted with me regarding Kernahan. And let's not forget that DCT's policy was to apply pressure on him to choose between his 2 roles.

But just as to the analogy, I reckon you should just wave the white flag and move on. When I read it (and this was before anyone had responded to it), I thought that it would be controversial. The problem is that one of Hitler's objectives was genocide. It's hard to defend his actions in that respect as being well-intentioned. That would be taking moral relativism way too far.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that the reaction of someone who is would be quite visceral.

Let's just end the argument about the analogy. I'm sure you weren't intending any disrespect and I'm sure noone else thinks you were too. So we can all forgive and forget.

I've pulled the posts re: Hitler for unity's sake. I have never condoned genocide and still rate one of my most moving and terrifying experiences visiting Dachau concentration camp as a year 9 student. No offence was intended nor ever expected.

However, my argument remains. Just because subjective intention may indicate doing good for the Club does not translate into objective good intention.

Fev might think he did the right thing by playing injured in 2005 but objectively he should have had surgery.

Pagan might think he's got the right intention to try to break players in - but it doesn't mean it's right.

Similarly with Kernahan. I don't believe we "owe" Kernahan complete loyalty. I guess we owed Elliott complete loyalty during the 80's because of how successful we were. But if were still loyal in 2002, we probably wouldn't have a club now.

We owe respect yes, but non-questioning of his decisions? Absolutely not. This complacency has gotten us into trouble before and if we are not careful, will do so again.

Sydney, you and I have disagreed on many an occasion but I've come to agree with you re: Pagan. I don't come on here expecting people to agree with me. This place would be boring otherwise. But I do find it frustrating when people cannot offer any reasons why he should stay other than loyalty.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

What is wrong with showing someone loyalty

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

There is nothing wrong with loyalty.

There is a problem though if it's misplaced.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Well its not misplaced with Sticks .
the club forgot about loyalty 4-5 years ago and it lead us to one big pile of shit

Loyalty always has a place - particually in a football club.

We are lucky Pratt is able to attract Loyal supporters back

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

No my point is extremely valid. If Kernahan was a dud player he would have been sent packing from the board a long time ago. His reputation is keeping him in areas where I believe he has shown he either has little to offer or has not been held accountable for what he has offered.

It is, in part, this reliance on reputations that has landed us is the mire we are currently attempting to get out of. You're right, his intentions cannot be questioned, he is quite possibly the most loyal servant this club has ever had, certainly in the modern era at any rate. These qualities should not make him unaccountable though, and to this point he is the only person at the club from the Elliott/Collins/Smorgon and Parkin/Brittain/Pagan eras that has had nothing to answer for.

Why?

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