"Yes, you can come in as coach, but from day 1 know that the footy department is compromised." What a joke! Remember, we are trying to talk the Michael Voss' of this world into coming to Carlton, be it as senior coach, or an assitant.

Remember also that 5 or 6 clubs may be looking for new senior coaches at the end of the year. If we want the best, we need to get our shit sorted out.

This saga is damaging our club on two levels. It can't be good for the young kids' development, to have a compromised relationship between the senior and 'reserves' coach. And it may very well put off other candidates, like Voss, Longmire etc, who the Club might look at for senior or assistant roles for next year.

Patch it up and get on professionally, or one of them must go.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

The board should approach Pagan and ask him to fund say $200K of Mitchell's payout; tell him it would help relieve a big headache for the club. It should also approach Mitchell and ask him to contribute similar to fund Pagan's payout. Tell him it might help his future prospects.

Get them to pay up, then sack both of them and tell them to @#$%&! off. No more headache and we're $400K better of than if we just sacked them both.

I don't actually give a shit if one of them's "in the right" or "in the wrong". By not resolving this but insisting on remaining at the club and allowing this situation to continue (whether they feel they've been hard done by or not) they're putting themselves first and the club second and one of the pre-requisites of involvement in an AFL club has to be putting the club first.

As football fans we're used to the occasional player doing this sort of thing but for a coach to be doing it is incredibly unprofessional and makes Terry Wallace look like the consumate pro.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

I believe Worsfold was an assistant under Brittain as well.
Should the Eagles sack him too?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Ross Lyon too, IIRC.

Great reason to sack someone

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

I reckon Britts was a better coach than either Mitch or DP. Assistants like Lyin and Worsfold have gone on to bigger and better things. Mitch has not. Does that say something?

True that... He's been an assistant far too long and hasnt moved on (ala someone like Brian Royal)

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Depends on how good you are with long bows?

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Working alone. At the coalface. Scott's gone for lunch! Said he would be back in 30 mins.

Mitchell is not even in the same category as Worsfold and Ross Lyon wont do much at the saints.

Mitchell and Pagan are both average.

In 4 months Ratts, Crosisca and Bradley have at least taught our players to kick.

Remeber how bad our disposal was last year.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

I think Brett Ratten has probably earned his stripes.

The one thing for certain is that Denis Pagan will not be there next year.

The questions that the board needs to ask themselves are:

) Will Pagan be there next year? if yes then Mitchell needs to go.
if no then they can ride out there time apart
2) Will Mitchell be there next year? If yes then Pagan will have to go
If no then sack him now
3) Will both of them bether there next year. NO

The indication is that by not sacking Mitchell, Pagan is a dead duck and they are playing the same ducks and drakes they did last year by sacking Elshaug and others- ie trying to push Pagan.

My feeling is that both of them will be gone next year and Ratten will become the senior coach

Agreed.... Ratthen will be senior coach and Voss will be Assistant coach (on Pratt's big $$$ to lure him across)

Doesnt that prospect just make your mouth water

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abso @#$%&! lutely!!!!!

Pagan and Mitchell are the past.

Realistically we can not afford to sack Pagan until September.

But, we can afford to drop mitchell and Swann, Icke and Pratt show the authority that makes us all feel more comfortable.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

I think Mitch likens himself to Steven Bradbury and is waiting for all of Carlton's coaches to fall by the way side so that he can get the top job uncontested.

That's just a feeling that I get about what his career path has been about. He has been assistant for a long time at one football club and his name does not crop up in any of the coaching positions that have been made in the last 3-5 years.

In another matter, didn't Sticks say in the Aged article with Caro on Saturday that it was a mistake to get rid of Elsaugh and Mulkearns????

Yikes and WTF!

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

You DO realise that Ratts is only in charge of the forward line don't you?.....and that our forward line was pretty crappy on Saturday night?

Some posters are also crediting him for the whole team's better disposal.

BV if my memory serves me in 2002 Woosha had flown. It was he's 1st year as Eagles coach

And as far as "Ratten's earned his stripes" is concerned.....he did as a player....but not yet as a Coach.

The District League side he coached last year made the GF.....it didn't win the Flag.

I'm attributing Carlton's improved disposal this year to a general improvement in all facets of our fitness, skills, and attitude.....possibly due too to Braddles influence in all of those areas.

too right it's laughtable

mitchell has a contract, so our hands are tied.
pagan has a contract, ooops the rope went missing.

So whats the general consensus....


do people think denis will see out the year or be replaced before then???

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You would think that it would be dependent upon the teams performance.

If we get to 9th or 10th position then....he will probably keep his job one would think.

If we get stay in the bottom 4 then bye bye Denis.

It is hard to tell what King Richard thinks of the DP

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Depends on results. If we win this week, he buys a month's grace. If we lose the pressure is on.

If we win this week and then against the Eagles (and I reckon we're a chance, though others think I'm crazy), then he's safe until the middle of the year.

Let's not forget that there'll be a big reaction if they sack Pagan. It will make us look inept - making a decision that we could have taken in October after a 6 month delay.

And I don't think that the sentiment on the internet sites about Pagan is representative of the wider membership (which I think is a lot more supportive of Pagan if talkback activity surrounding the October Board Meeting is anything to go by).

You might remember that I posted a couple weeks ago that a directive was given for Pago Pago and Mitch to arrange a meeting.

Update: They still haven't arranged that meeting, let alone had it. My spy tells me that King Richard is fuming considering more press about the issue and the meeting will go ahead within the next 2 days or else.

I also heard from a completely different source (just as reliable) that a Board meeting has been called to resolve the issue of responsibilities. It seems that Icke and Swann have got their noses out of joint over Sticks making decisions and talking to the press without going through proper channels. Watch this space!

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2002:> "In their Masters Chambers
They Gathered for their Feast
They Stabbed us with their Steely Knives
But They Just Can't Kill The Beast!" <2016

THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!