Figure$: Camporeale = $620,000

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:09 pm

Synbad wrote:

verbs but thats if that article is correct exactly with what the figure is.. do you think it might be a touch under??? :wink:

It would surprise me if it was a touch under. So say, $700,000+?

At $700,000 that would've meant Camporeale received a $2million contract over three years, but it didn't make the press, back in 2001. That would surprise me. That would mean Camporeale would've been on $900,000 in 2004 if not for the salary cap problems, and still means he would've been on $280,000 last year.

Still works out to be a 25% cut. :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:09 pm

BlueMark wrote:

Ahhh, nothing like a bit of investigative research. Seems somebody was selectivly qouting figures. My understanding has always been that the maligned three had added a year to thier contracts when approached by the club a couple of years ago. This is something they should be applauded for not accussed of disloyalty or greed.

I thought you said i was overstating what they were on....

Im actually being conservative. They didnt take a pay cut they just back ended their extraordinary contracts and gave themselves another year.
Except Kouta who did take a real pay cut. ....

Ahhhhhhhhhhh yes... BM wrong again.... :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:18 pm

verbs wrote:

Synbad wrote:

verbs but thats if that article is correct exactly with what the figure is.. do you think it might be a touch under??? :wink:

It would surprise me if it was a touch under. So say, $700,000+?

At $700,000 that would've meant Camporeale received a $2million contract over three years, but it didn't make the press, back in 2001. That would surprise me. That would mean Camporeale would've been on $900,000 in 2003 if not for the salary cap problems, and still means he would've been on $280,000 last year.

Still works out to be a 25% cut. :wink:

verbs youre just not a lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???...would that be a pay cut????
Well the club to get under the salary cap 2 years ago would give him an extra year at the same.. just as Hamill made StKilda give him an extra 4 to fit him in last year where he was set to make 750k.
StKilda thought Black would have been trafed he wasnt and were gone on Hamill.. so they negotiated a cushy 5 year deal.. (that will screw them) and thats why they lodged the paperwork in late last year and cost them a 40k fine today.
Same with Whitnall and Campo .
They deferred the payment but added another year and had the whole thing average out to around the same...
Campo has just entered his second year of a grossly huge contract (Backended but still averaging the same as what he had plus a year)

anyway Campo is as much of a gun today as he was when he didnt have a tagger with williams. Ratten Brown Bradley around him.. once they disappeared and he had a tagger he went to pieces... GUN FOOTBALLER!!!.. whatever hes on just double it...

BlueMark · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:26 pm

Re-read Jarusa and Verbs posts I think they have well and truely de-constructed your arguement. Re-read the articles and given that the media is reknown for overstating contracts again your arguemnet has been de-constructed. Also interesting that a week or so ago you where saying Kouta hadn't taken a pay cut now you are saying he did.

Fact is an extra year was added to the contracts and payments where spread out over an extra year for what was orginally to be paid over a shorter contract period. That is in anyones language a paycut and a significant one.

Anyway no time to argue tonight, have to do my post Karate strech and meditation. Think I will use a dollar sign as my focus and 'contract' as the koan

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:28 pm

Synbad wrote:

lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???

You call that lateral thinking? :shock:

A 4 year contract at $2million dollars and a 5 year contract at $2.5million dollars are exactly the same thing!!! It doesn't matter if less was paid in the early years!!

WTF are you on? Why would the club do that if they are trying to save money?

That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

It's simple...$2million over 3 years spread into $2million over 4 years = a 25% cut.

And he signed a 3 year contract at the end of 2001. Then added an extra year on.

BlueMark · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:30 pm

Synbad wrote:

verbs wrote:

Synbad wrote:

verbs but thats if that article is correct exactly with what the figure is.. do you think it might be a touch under??? :wink:

It would surprise me if it was a touch under. So say, $700,000+?

At $700,000 that would've meant Camporeale received a $2million contract over three years, but it didn't make the press, back in 2001. That would surprise me. That would mean Camporeale would've been on $900,000 in 2003 if not for the salary cap problems, and still means he would've been on $280,000 last year.

Still works out to be a 25% cut. :wink:

verbs youre just not a lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???...would that be a pay cut????
Well the club to get under the salary cap 2 years ago would give him an extra year at the same.. just as Hamill made StKilda give him an extra 4 to fit him in last year where he was set to make 750k.
StKilda thought Black would have been trafed he wasnt and were gone on Hamill.. so they negotiated a cushy 5 year deal.. (that will screw them) and thats why they lodged the paperwork in late last year and cost them a 40k fine today.
Same with Whitnall and Campo .
They deferred the payment but added another year and had the whole thing average out to around the same...
Campo has just entered his second year of a grossly huge contract (Backended but still averaging the same as what he had plus a year)

anyway Campo is as much of a gun today as he was when he didnt have a tagger with williams. Ratten Brown Bradley around him.. once they disappeared and he had a tagger he went to pieces... GUN FOOTBALLER!!!.. whatever hes on just double it...

Do you really think Collo would have allowed what you just wrote to happen?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:32 pm

verbs wrote:

Synbad wrote:

lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???

You call that lateral thinking? :shock:

A 4 year contract at $2million dollars and a 5 year contract at $2.5million dollars are exactly the same thing!!! It doesn't matter if less was paid in the early years!!

WTF are you on? Why would the club do that if they are trying to save money?

That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

It's simple...$2million over 3 years spread into $2million over 4 years = a 25% cut.

And he signed a 3 year contract at the end of 2001. Then added an extra year on.

Definitely not a lateral thinker are you???
:lol:

BM... i broke the story Kouta had taken a pay cut... DUHHHHHH!!!!! :lol:

Go do a search on TBV. :wink:

Oh thats wright you knew but you wern t saying...

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:36 pm

BlueMark wrote:

Synbad wrote:

verbs wrote:

Synbad wrote:

verbs but thats if that article is correct exactly with what the figure is.. do you think it might be a touch under??? :wink:

It would surprise me if it was a touch under. So say, $700,000+?

At $700,000 that would've meant Camporeale received a $2million contract over three years, but it didn't make the press, back in 2001. That would surprise me. That would mean Camporeale would've been on $900,000 in 2003 if not for the salary cap problems, and still means he would've been on $280,000 last year.

Still works out to be a 25% cut. :wink:

verbs youre just not a lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???...would that be a pay cut????
Well the club to get under the salary cap 2 years ago would give him an extra year at the same.. just as Hamill made StKilda give him an extra 4 to fit him in last year where he was set to make 750k.
StKilda thought Black would have been trafed he wasnt and were gone on Hamill.. so they negotiated a cushy 5 year deal.. (that will screw them) and thats why they lodged the paperwork in late last year and cost them a 40k fine today.
Same with Whitnall and Campo .
They deferred the payment but added another year and had the whole thing average out to around the same...
Campo has just entered his second year of a grossly huge contract (Backended but still averaging the same as what he had plus a year)

anyway Campo is as much of a gun today as he was when he didnt have a tagger with williams. Ratten Brown Bradley around him.. once they disappeared and he had a tagger he went to pieces... GUN FOOTBALLER!!!.. whatever hes on just double it...

Do you really think Collo would have allowed what you just wrote to happen?

Yes .. because he had no choice... thats what happens when you have no choice... thats what happens when you have a contract... and you wont part with it.. youll help out the club in the long term and then the club will have to look after you back... because they had NO CHOICE!!!....

What could Collo do BM??? Could he have refused to pay them the dosh???
Legally what could he do???
What the hell do you mean by "Do you think Collo would do that??" :roll:

Plus thats not as bad as you paying Campo $400,000 with no duress and he is 31... and Whitnall $350k same as Fev...

Would you really do that BM???? :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:36 pm

You better keep it in good shape
Exercise it daily
And get it down on tape

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:38 pm

I think Malouf should take the Niles Standish approach to Campo's contract

whatever he's on.... cut it in half...... and then DOUBLE IT!

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:39 pm

Synbad wrote:

verbs wrote:

Synbad wrote:

lateral thinker are you????
Supposing Campo had a 4 year contract at 2 million and he was paid less in his first 2 years and much much more in his last 2 years.... of a 5 year contract that averaged out to say 2.5 million over 5 years???

You call that lateral thinking? :shock:

A 4 year contract at $2million dollars and a 5 year contract at $2.5million dollars are exactly the same thing!!! It doesn't matter if less was paid in the early years!!

WTF are you on? Why would the club do that if they are trying to save money?

That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

It's simple...$2million over 3 years spread into $2million over 4 years = a 25% cut.

And he signed a 3 year contract at the end of 2001. Then added an extra year on.

Definitely not a lateral thinker are you???
:lol:

So by your "lateral thinking" Camporeale has always been on $500,000

I thought you said he was well into the $600,000s?

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:43 pm

verbs wrote:

So by your "lateral thinking" Camporeale has always been on $500,000

I thought you said he was well into the $600,000s?

DERRR FRED!!! Synbad was talking in RUPEES!!!!!

:roll:

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:47 pm

The Tyrant wrote:

verbs wrote:

So by your "lateral thinking" Camporeale has always been on $500,000

I thought you said he was well into the $600,000s?

DERRR FRED!!! Synbad was talking in RUPEES!!!!!

:roll:

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:49 pm

verbs wrote:

The Tyrant wrote:

verbs wrote:

So by your "lateral thinking" Camporeale has always been on $500,000

I thought you said he was well into the $600,000s?

DERRR FRED!!! Synbad was talking in RUPEES!!!!!

:roll:

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:51 pm

He always was on 500k if you averaged it out.. thats not a pay cut...!!!
Noone said he took 500k exactly every year but if you worked out what he made in this current contract/ options / deferals and ammendments he never took a pay cut...
youre really big on the not so important stuff arent you verbs???
at the end of the day he was paid much more than he was worth and he gave nothing back to the club contract wise but some breathing space when we were one million dollars over the upcoming seasons cap.. because of the kinds of contracts these guys pushed to the detriment of the club that were rubber stamped by a drunk who often told everyone within earshot"We lose noone at Carlton and we never rebuild at Carlton"... they treated the club like cannon fodder.
People often say they are playing football to win a premiership!!Thats bullshit!!!!If they were they would play for $200k per season and bring in every gun they could to win a premiership!!!

The game is about Greed...Wayne Johnston one year was on 17k and was going to have his wages doubled by Collingwood to leave.. he had a minimal payrise and stayed anyway....

$500k for Campo a soft cock wingman who didnt know what a tagger was in his first five years because he never had one.. Williams , Bradley, Brown and Ratten got them...when they retred and he stepped up into his 500k pa role.. and he took a tagger he went to pieces and we havent seen him since.
What he has done since then is adapt himself to a cheats game.. where he pretends .... and instead of running hard he gets into personal wars with taggers and leaves the rest of the midfield one man short because its easier...
Meanwhile he receives his 20k a week on average over the contract...

Thats why were [REDACTED]!!!

You get what you pay for ...!!!!.. unless youre Carlton in which case youre ripped off!!!

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 10:57 pm

So you're saying he got an extra year added on to his contract, at exactly the same as what he was on per year before that?

Are you serious?

That is the newest stupidest thing I've heard!! It makes NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER!!!

It is farcical.

Idiotic.

Moronic.

Not even StKilda would do something that stupid!!

Are we meant to believe Collins would let such a ridiculous thing go through?

Tripper!!!!

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 11:03 pm

Besides, he went from a 3 year contract (2002-2004) to a 4 year contract (2002-2005). Why you made up the 4 years to 5 years things is beyond me.

And you laugh when I say posters lie. :lol:

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Synbad · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 11:08 pm

verbs wrote:

So you're saying he got an extra year added on to his contract, at exactly the same as what he was on per year before that?

Are you serious?

That is the newest stupidest thing I've heard!! It makes NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER!!!

It is farcical.

Idiotic.

Moronic.

Not even StKilda would do something that stupid!!

Are we meant to believe Collins would let such a ridiculous thing go

through?

Tripper!!!!

verbs do you count how many times you have a little shake after finishing up????

:lol:

Yiu know what i mean... but know im in your head.... in your headdddddddd.... ... :wink:

the stupidest thing i do is engage someone who has no clue....

is it 35 shakes??? cos if its 35 shakes youre technically not shaking it anymore...

molsey · **Posted:** Mon May 16, 2005 11:09 pm

Its a simple fact that the only poster on this site that gets it right all the time is Captain Obvious.

Figure$: Camporeale = $620,000

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