The only reason I can see Mitchell being retained now is because they hardly see Denis being there as a definite thing.

Otherwise, why else would you have a lame-duck assistant coach? Going to look shocking if we win the VFL flag this year and Mitch moves on too.

Look it does seem pretty petty from the outside but Denis wouldn't act in this way over something trivial so he clearly feels pretty strongly about whatever happened. Maybe there is more to it than we hear in the media. But what I don't understand is why Richard Pratt can't just call both Mitchell and Pagan into his office at the same time and tell them to sort this out because even if this standoff has little practical detriment on the club, it does reflect poorly...

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I cannot see it but they should put Pagan out of harms way until he can be paid out before he does any more damage. But I don't want to just put any other coach in for the sake of it, a proper search for the right coach should be done.


If we are paying the head coach so much money he should bloody well act professional and do what the club says or get out. Does he think he is in a play ground, and choose not to speak to someone he does not like.

Get professional Denis, and get over it. I am in no way siding with Mitchell as I don't think much of him either. I want them both gone and wont be happy until they are.

They can both go AFAIC.

Caro revisits the Pagan-Mitchell standoff

This is an issue that should never have been. I don't give a flower what Mitchell was promised. His presence is embarrassing and if he doesn't have the decency to resign, Swann needs to act. If gleeson doesn't like it, he can flower off too.
I'm sure Brittain was promised he'd see out his contract, Sticks didn't mind axing him then.
Caro is right in that whoever the next coach of Carlton is, they wouldn't want Mitchell around anyway. He was a mercenary as a player, how did he become a favourite son at Carlton??

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i hope that's not true.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/t ... 00251.html

And so the saga continues. Needless to say that this has to be resolved and quickly.

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Last round Carlton made the final four for the first time.

Eventual premiers.

That's what I'm talking about!

Fair point, some candidates for Coach if they are needed later this year or next might be put off going for the job if they think there is a well-backed ambitious backroom political sniper wanting the top coaching job. Whether it is real or imagined doesn't matter if that is the perception out in the football world.

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Not good is it.

Either one goes or they patch things up.


To allow this to continue for so long is bad for the club and inparticular the young players.

Its embarrassing and not normal.
How would a Bryce Gibbs or Marc Murphy feel hearing such stupidity going on.

I'd think they'd be pretty happy with it. What are the chances that Pagan will allow them to be dropped to the VFL even if they deserve it at some stage? He wouldn't want them to come under Mitchell's influence.

Whatever happened to the Driving Change Together ticket's promise to bring an end to the conflict between Sticks' Board and Football Department positions?

Surely you're being mischievious Jars?
A backroom political sniper?

Tell me one assistant coach in the AFL who wouldnt want to coach an AFL side. Usually the best people to have on your team are people with ambition. At least you know they will leave no stone unturned to be their best
The difference is most coaches are confident enough in their own abilities not to fear ambitious assistants.

Perhaps Denis should have his hands on his hips and stick his tongue out everytime Mitchell walks past. The whole episode is childish and hurting the one club in the league that needs everything going its way.

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Like it or not, Pagan thought that Mitchell was manoevreing well before the Board Meeting. If he's right on that, keeping the Carlton and Bullants boys separate is a sensible precaution.


Presumably this report comes from Sticks or one of Mitchell's supporters, so there needs to be some caution taken in accepting the truth of the assertion. But if it's true, then that shows just how destructive it has been to set up 2 spheres of influence. How would the young players know one way or the other whether Mitchell had been part of an attempt to replace Pagan? Only if Mitchell or his other supporters had got in their ears. To foster feelings of support for Mitchell or hostility to Pagan for his treatment of Mitchell clearly distracts the young players from committing 100% of their energy to helping Carlton be successful.

You can't see the difference between an ambitious assistant coach who tries to impress influential club personnel with his ability and performance, and one who works associations with powerful Board members to advance his own interests at the expense of his senior coach?

No, I only see you making outrageous claims that have no basis.
Your posts are full of guesses. You presume this, you assume that.

Where can you show me Mitchell has "worked associations with powerful board members to advance his own interests at the expense his senior coach"?

Where can you show me Mitchell or one of his supporters has 'got in the players ears"?

How can you demonstrate that any of this "clearly distracts the young players from committing 100% of their energy to helping Carlton be successful"?

Your posts are devoid of fact.
Lets stick to what we know.
The board engaged Mitchell to apply for the senior coaching job and Denis now refuses to speak with him or have contact with him.

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Anyone else heard a Press conference today and Mitch is gone?

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I make no presumptions in that post BV, just stating what the perception seems to be out there.

You on the other hand time and again have made presumptions about Pagan. You call him childish and many other names under the sun yet you have no idea whether he is being childish or not.

If he knows that Mitchell had been manouvering for some time with board members and players to get him removed then he is well within his rights to stick up for himself.

If he is doing it purely because he thinks that might have happened then yes it is childish.

But you do not know one way or the other and you are therefore making presumptions with all of your repeated attacks.

Insert typical BV closing swipe here.

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Jars if we were to appoint a new coach OVER Mitchell wouldn't that new coach have the confidence that he was chosen instead of Mitchell? And also wouldn't Mitchell be aware that he isn't going to be chosen as senior coach if this was to occur?

I think Barry is happy enough to coach at any senior level - including VFL, he is not stupid and I am sure he knows that he is not high on the list of potential coaches - St Kilda didn't even interview him, did they?

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Correct Jarusa.

Just because you don't have the honesty to note that you are making assumptions doesn't mean you don't and doesn't make you superior.

You don't want Pagan as our coach, that's clear enough. You're entitled to your view and you may well be vindicated as things unfold this year. But you should acknowledge your bias rather than masquerading as an objective observer.

No other club would refuse to break this deadlock. If they don't want Pagan, then sack him. If they want to keep him, then sack Mitchell. Doing neither is an absolute disgrace. Surely you can see that?

Greg Denham says he's talked to Swann and Swann says his hands have been tied by a Board decision, and the Board has undertaken to Mitchell that he'll be the Bullants coach for 2007.