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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:20 am 
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Amazing all the people here who think they know more than professionals at the club.


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Excellent post lads. I too am sick of negative supporters just wanting to blame and cry and sulk and whinge. If that's what this forum is for, maybe we can start another one that looks for people who want to actually discuss real issues rather than just bag everyone. It's so easy to be negative and critical and belittle players and coaches etc. It's a lot harder to offer alternatives and suggestions.

Yes we played bad. Yes the opposition played great. And yes we were ourcoached. But I think this will be the exception not the norm.

There were positives some real positives too. Murphy was terrific. Gibbs showed plenty. And Walker is just getting better and better. I thought Wiggo was very good (eventhough I still see posters wanting to bag him). He actually showed what a strong leading half forward can accomplish. Unfortunately he had little support. Setanta also had another solid game.

I agree with another poster that we got slaughtered in the ruck duels and therefore need a plan B when this happens. Because its bound to happen a lot this season with our undersized ruckman. Maybe giving Setanta a run on the ball will ignite us somewhat. I don't know, but it could only add to his development. Our height in the ruck is a real issue. I know the boys have been told to negate the oposition ruckman if they are getting out jumped, but it just didnt work on Saturday.

Also we need a plan B for our forward set up. Geelong's tactics were superb on the weekend, and it seemed that the 15 coaches in our coaches box couldn't come up with a counter measure or if they did it wasn't executed well. I think running the ball further into the forward line instead of bombing inside the 50 would work out better. Moving all the other forwards out of the 50 metre arc and leaving Fev one on one might have helped also. Or even putting Wiggins out of the square and using Fev as a decoy.

Anyway, keep your heads up boys. I know its bloody hard watching these types of games. It's depressing as hell. But that is life. When the lows are really low, then the highs will only feel that much higher.


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Maybe we should start a new forum for Carlton Supporters?

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i was never intending to have a go at anyone in particular, just saying that the bandwagoners who are all up and toey after round one showed their true colours when the final siren rang on saturday night.

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i was never intending to have a go at anyone in particular, just saying that the bandwagoners who are all up and toey after round one showed their true colours when the final siren rang on saturday night.


Nicely put.

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football is an hysterical pastime - get used to it.

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football is an hysterical pastime - get used to it.


Good point, there are plenty of other things in life to be sane about.

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Youd want to think that Denis would tell Cloke to run through a pair of softcocks like Ottens and Blake....

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Youd want to think that Denis would tell Cloke to run through a pair of softcocks like Ottens and Blake....


As Minson had done the week before, rendering them both useless.

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that i was going to steer clear of the main board here to avoid the backlash that the team were going to cop.


Yeah, I did.

Today's the first time I have logged in since the game. I hate this place after a loss, I'd prefer to sit around chatting to the Carlton supporters who don't post here...they are full of hope and optimism.

Everyone has a right to be angry and frustrated but I'm not like that because I acknowledge the fact that i really know little about running a club...coaching...and all that. I have been so wrong in the past about footy...more times than not so I learn.

One bloke who i have a yarn to at my local corner shop is all about Gibbs at the moment. :-D That makes me happier than those on here who are all about Whitnall....

Big BIG difference...

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Cloke isn't the type to run through anybody. He's still the type who'd cry over someone taking his lollies. But I don't mind what he's done so far for the navy Blue and if he at least gives 100% each week who can blame him.

My opinion is with those who point the finger at Pagan. There's a half decent and developing crop of players out on the park and the gameplan was shot to bits, and will be shot to bits by good teams. Sainters, Coasters, even Port Adelaide will murder us with this gameplan. And with the way the Bombers are travelling... gee it'll be tough!

Pagan's gameplan seems to have changed considerably from the Nab Cup back to his 'kick it to fev' that undid the team through the last 4 years. Why the change I wonder? The speed through the corridors and multiple targets inside 50 worked to a tea. Even when the boys beat Richmond the Tigers played much smarter football up forward, with constant running and presenting by the smaller players who took a heap of marks inside 50.

But that's just my opinion. Hope that things change this weekend... My faith is on the players on the park thinking for themselves rather than doing exactly what Pagan tells them because I don't believe in the man upstairs in the box.


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DP doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this "we're a young group and we've known all the way along we were going to cop a couple of hits" What a load of rubbish. Average age of the two teams on Sat night…..Carl (23.1) Geel (23.4) - yes those 110 days or so made all the difference!! Note that Geel had an average of 2 games more per man!! I can take the loss but I'm just sick of incorrect and rubbish excuses from DP!!


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DP doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this "we're a young group and we've known all the way along we were going to cop a couple of hits" What a load of rubbish. Average age of the two teams on Sat night…..Carl (23.1) Geel (23.4) - yes those 110 days or so made all the difference!! Note that Geel had an average of 2 games more per man!! I can take the loss but I'm just sick of incorrect and rubbish excuses from DP!!


That is actually a 110x22=2420 days of life difference for the entire team, an extra 6.6 years of life and experience.

The 0.3 does not look like much in isolation but it is a substantial difference.

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DP doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this "we're a young group and we've known all the way along we were going to cop a couple of hits" What a load of rubbish. Average age of the two teams on Sat night…..Carl (23.1) Geel (23.4) - yes those 110 days or so made all the difference!! Note that Geel had an average of 2 games more per man!! I can take the loss but I'm just sick of incorrect and rubbish excuses from DP!!


That is actually a 110x22=2420 days of life difference for the entire team, an extra 6.6 years of life and experience.

The 0.3 does not look like much in isolation but it is a substantial difference.




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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DP doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this "we're a young group and we've known all the way along we were going to cop a couple of hits" What a load of rubbish. Average age of the two teams on Sat night…..Carl (23.1) Geel (23.4) - yes those 110 days or so made all the difference!! Note that Geel had an average of 2 games more per man!! I can take the loss but I'm just sick of incorrect and rubbish excuses from DP!!


That is actually a 110x22=2420 days of life difference for the entire team, an extra 6.6 years of life and experience.

The 0.3 does not look like much in isolation but it is a substantial difference.





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Amazing all the people here who think they know more than professionals at the club.


Agree completely.
This is why 'SuperCoach' is so popular!


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BlueWorld wrote:
Amazing all the people here who think they know more than professionals at the club.


Agree completely.
This is why 'SuperCoach' is so popular!


yep...me too...all of this slagging players and coaches etc is $&#king rediculous...how in the hell does it serve any good from us armchair critics...to say that we should have taken jetta instead etc is crap!...he's in a red and black jumper now so he is an enemy...how u reckon a bloke like hampson feels when he hears this kind of stuff!....

give the guys a chance people...there out there trying there guts out unlike most of you whinging on ya butts!...

Go BLUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Saturday night we played one of the top 4. They will do this to other teams along the way because they have a good solid but importantly 'even' list to choose from.

Cats, Dogs, Eagles and Port are all going to spank us atleast once this year.

Essendon* are different - we can match them in the ruck and they've got plenty of in-experienced blokes like us, so it'll be tight but I reckon Fev AND Lance are due and should come out with crackers up their arzes.


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I made a comment to Italian Styles at the game on Saturday night that i was going to steer clear of the main board here to avoid the backlash that the team were going to cop. I went against my better judgement and have been keeping a bit of an eye on the rumblings here over the last 2 days and what has been going on makes me flower sick.

Scotland's picking up cheap possessions, houlihan and whitnall are holding us back, whats his name isnt contributing, thingo cant kick, that guy doesnt go in hard enough, pagan has our game plan all wrong, we are shit.

The endless bullshit that has surfaced over the last few days, since the loss, is sickening.

Real supporters, real lovers of the club dont sink the boot in at the first opportunity they get. Real lovers of the club look for positives, offer encouragement, provide alternatives. Not shit can the club and everyone involved.

For example-How abut we comment on the performances of M.Murphy and B.Gibbs, who at a combined total of less that 20 games are exhibiting some of the most positive signs i have seen come from the navy blue in quite a number of years.

How about we comment on the continued development of A.Walker who's run and rebound have really started to develop and his continued work on his disposal is paying divdends.

How about we comment on the forward work of Ackland and ground covered on the night by an extremely fit and mobile C.Cloke.

And instead of cannign our forward line and canning our disposal into the forwards how about we offer alternatives, like-if fev is triple teamed, that leaves two free players, kick it to them or dont flood the forward line, we have the best full forward in the league so let him run the forward line.

For christs sake, Geelong showed on Saturday night they bare a good side, yeah, our game was lacking and our endeavours werent quite what they have been in the last 6 weeks but we have the second youngest list in the friggin comp.

We ARE going to be inconsistent. we ARE learning, we ARE going to have defeats to go with the wins.

I'm not wearing rose coloured glasses, im not saying there are all positives at all, hell, the form of one L.Whitnall is worrying, the disposal into the forwards is worrying but for gods sake, we are a young side. we are developing, learing, and maturing all the time.

It is important to have these losses, important to learn from them, important to learn how to prevent them from happening and learning what it feels like to lose.

We will get there, i have no doubt, but the biggest negative to come out of this weekends loss is the constant stream of crap eminating from the mouths of so called "supporters"


:-D I agree. It's not that Carlton played badly, it is that Geelong played very,very well.

Let's not forget the in 2005 and 2004 Geelong played in the preliminary final and should have beaten Brisbane and got beaten bt the Swans on the last kick of the day. When they are up and going they are a very good side. Compare this to Carlton's last 2 years.

The Cats beat us in the middle and our half forward line forgot how to chase, with the end result that the Cat's forward line had a picnic. Add to this the emergence of Nathan Abblet this year and also the "Tomahawk". All of a sudden Mooney is no longer one out (now that that dud Kingsley is gone) and Ottens is playing where he should be - in the ruck.

Yes we were beaten but we were not disgraced and did not throw in the towel. Have a look at who were our best, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Fisher and Fev had a real crack even though he was being triple teamed. What we have to do is to learn to kick it JK or Fish if Fev is being double tagged.

With the side we have got, we are going to cop a few hidings along way as we play the kids and they grow and learn the game. It is not going nto happen over night. If we can win between 8 - 10 games this year we should be happy. It is starting to happen but it will take some time. :-D :-D


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Jarusa wrote:
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DP doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this "we're a young group and we've known all the way along we were going to cop a couple of hits" What a load of rubbish. Average age of the two teams on Sat night…..Carl (23.1) Geel (23.4) - yes those 110 days or so made all the difference!! Note that Geel had an average of 2 games more per man!! I can take the loss but I'm just sick of incorrect and rubbish excuses from DP!!


That is actually a 110x22=2420 days of life difference for the entire team, an extra 6.6 years of life and experience.

The 0.3 does not look like much in isolation but it is a substantial difference.


:lol:

Of course. If we played Kouta instead of Gibbs, we would have won.

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