I made a comment to Italian Styles at the game on Saturday night that i was going to steer clear of the main board here to avoid the backlash that the team were going to cop. I went against my better judgement and have been keeping a bit of an eye on the rumblings here over the last 2 days and what has been going on makes me flower sick.

Scotland's picking up cheap possessions, houlihan and whitnall are holding us back, whats his name isnt contributing, thingo cant kick, that guy doesnt go in hard enough, pagan has our game plan all wrong, we are shit.

The endless bullshit that has surfaced over the last few days, since the loss, is sickening.

Real supporters, real lovers of the club dont sink the boot in at the first opportunity they get. Real lovers of the club look for positives, offer encouragement, provide alternatives. Not shit can the club and everyone involved.

For example-How abut we comment on the performances of M.Murphy and B.Gibbs, who at a combined total of less that 20 games are exhibiting some of the most positive signs i have seen come from the navy blue in quite a number of years.

How about we comment on the continued development of A.Walker who's run and rebound have really started to develop and his continued work on his disposal is paying divdends.

How about we comment on the forward work of Ackland and ground covered on the night by an extremely fit and mobile C.Cloke.

And instead of cannign our forward line and canning our disposal into the forwards how about we offer alternatives, like-if fev is triple teamed, that leaves two free players, kick it to them or dont flood the forward line, we have the best full forward in the league so let him run the forward line.

For christs sake, Geelong showed on Saturday night they bare a good side, yeah, our game was lacking and our endeavours werent quite what they have been in the last 6 weeks but we have the second youngest list in the friggin comp.

We ARE going to be inconsistent. we ARE learning, we ARE going to have defeats to go with the wins.

I'm not wearing rose coloured glasses, im not saying there are all positives at all, hell, the form of one L.Whitnall is worrying, the disposal into the forwards is worrying but for gods sake, we are a young side. we are developing, learing, and maturing all the time.

It is important to have these losses, important to learn from them, important to learn how to prevent them from happening and learning what it feels like to lose.

We will get there, i have no doubt, but the biggest negative to come out of this weekends loss is the constant stream of crap eminating from the mouths of so called "supporters"

pagan has been cutting it for the past 20 years.

I can give you over 60 point losses

Pagan's Hall of Shame

Synbad, why take a dump on a post of good intention with negativity unproductive?

Simply Pagan was out coached by Thomspson ???? what does that say. We had no structure and where all over the place. Stevens, in the forward and back line. WTF ?????? He is the only one apart from Fev to spark the team.......

I will say it again, we will not move forward with Pagan as coach. Hope someone has the guts to do something about this. Get rid of Pagan and Mitchell. Enough chances.

I don't expect to win every game, only a few games here and there, but to go and see what I saw on Saturday night is heartbreaking. An honourable loss would be satisfying to good teams, but to get thrashed really hurts me. To see Geelong supporters jump up with joy, and probably laugh at me sitting there with my head in my hands. IT BLOODY HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please Pratt, Board whoever reads this, get rid of Pagan, he has lost the plot and has no passion for this club. Go through the process and get the best available. I am sick of getting laughed at.

I am too scared to go to the footy on Saturday, one can only imagine what they are going to do to us if we perform like Saturday night. Footy is not fun for me anymore, but I cannot help myself I love Carlton so so much...........

I appreciate your point bnz, but in the end I think people will want to use these sorts of boards to vent their spleens because what else can they do?

Simply Pagan was out coached by Thomspson ???? what does that say. We had no structure and where all over the place. Stevens, in the forward and back line. WTF ?????? He is the only one apart from Fev to spark the team.......

I will say it again, we will not move forward with Pagan as coach. Hope someone has the guts to do something about this. Get rid of Pagan and Mitchell. Enough chances.

I don't expect to win every game, only a few games here and there, but to go and see what I saw on Saturday night is heartbreaking. An honourable loss would be satisfying to good teams, but to get thrashed really hurts me. To see Geelong supporters jump up with joy, and probably laugh at me sitting there with my head in my hands. IT BLOODY HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please Pratt, Board whoever reads this, get rid of Pagan, he has lost the plot and has no passion for this club. Go through the process and get the best available. I am sick of getting laughed at.

I am too scared to go to the footy on Saturday, one can only imagine what they are going to do to us if we perform like Saturday night. Footy is not fun for me anymore, but I cannot help myself I love Carlton so so much...........

It's actually an interesting question you ask ponk. I remember standing at the scoreboard end in the 80s with dad & watching blokes putting away tinnies & hurling all sorts of abuse at the umps, the oppostion, & yes their own. And dad laughing but also carefully explaining to me that it's a weekly theraputic exercise for people; go to the footy, let off steam, get it out of your system then back to work Monday to buld it up again - then back to the footy Saturday to do it all again.

Nowadays it's indoors at The Dome, with the family or surrounded by families...the beer's midstrength & heads will normally turn if you go off your nut (g'day luka ). Not saying the new ways are a bad thing but we all know the whole footy experience has completely changed...& maybe the net is the new outlet valve...

Move on Fevola. Pagan wasn't playing Saturday night, he also had the new assistants by his side. Move on and get over it. We were beaten SIMPLE by a team more committed with something to prove. Lets see how Essendon* respond to Carlton when we come out more committed and something to prove!! Will Pagan be in the gun if we win this week at 2 and 1?

Good post BNZ.

It wasn't a good intentions post, he basically said Synbad and others aren't real supporters because of their reaction to the loss. Said they are not REAL supporters and made him crook in the guts, well that's how I felt watching that insipid display on Saturday night.

Any Carlton supporter felt crook seeing Carlton go down against Geelong like we did but it's the way we react as a club. There is a sub-culture of knee-jerk at the moment amongst the grass root that is really disturbing, and it harks back to our modern demise as a power house.

Has the club not moved forward on the field for 2007 towards the future? Have we not made inroads politically beyond that? Read the original post Game. There was no mention of Synbad specifically or 'other supporters' sic, (of Carlton).

The dismay was at the level of negativity that is levelled at the club's name by apparent supporters on this site because of the loss. He was just trying to bolster against the loss without totally spewing on the jumper like a stack of main board posters seem to think is the correct courtesy affected to our great club. At least serve the players with the respect they desreve. They play for each other outside of the decisions which some here think they have intricate knowledge of. None of us do unless we play alongside Murph and co. They know the crack.

FFS, the first quarter and a half was fantastic footy- but we were not up to it mentally on the night, and if we were, we may have physically got to within 5 goals, (That, however, is a personal opinion.)

The final margin was far from flattereing, BUT, it's round 2 of the season 2007. Don't get so crook that you can't see navy from bloody blue because of one result, as we are on the rise and need momentum on and off, (AND online). If we can see the faults, and we have hard administration now in place- do you think they are proud of Saturday? It's early on in Pratt's reign.

I can't say I was technically happy with the direction on Saturday either, but either Pagan is playing the boys to a plan, (let's not get into that one on here), or I'm a genius until next week when we smash the Bombers.

Great post Whippy!