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bag the players that get none of the ball....bag the players that get all of the ball....i would rather them get it and stuff it up than not get it at all...at least they can improve on the disposal...not that Scotland made many mistakes last night anyway...


Agreed on his disposal, it was very good last night

Some say he goes sideways alot; maybe he's trying to see if there are any other options besides bombing it long.


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Scotland has a future at the club. Barak you're way too harsh and IMO you are way off the mark also.

As for Houlihan, i wouldn't be surprised to see him finish his career elsewhere. Not that he isn't a good enough player, just they he may be more of an asset elsewhere. And with the younger brigade waiting in the wings Houla could offer some value as he has some "currency ".

And poor old Lance, Synbad called it early. He is fast becoming our Jason Cloke who just might not be suited to the modern era of AFL.

Oh well still only round two so very early days yet.
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Im not a bagger of Scotland...But people watch yesterdays game and 4 of Scotlands turnovers turned into Goals....But he is way too experienced to be dropped...

I just wonder how much longer can we carry Whitnall? My mum who has got two very crook legs could have marked infront of Whitnall yesterday :roll:

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Whitnall is a liability.

Too slow to play on a leading forward when played down back and his man just runs off him up forward. Naming him captain looks to be coming back to bite the club in the arse.

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Too slow to play on a leading forward when played down back and his man just runs off him up forward. Naming him captain looks to be coming back to bite the club in the arse.


Do you call 2 round 1 draft picks because we played an unfit, clouded and out of form Lance for the whole season, a bite on the arse?

Just joking :lol: ....couldn't resist it. :lol:

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how could the forwards present... they're 60-70 metres away. Scotland gets the ball around the front of our defensive 50, he should be looking to move it on straight away, instead he waits 10 seconds, kicks it to someone 20 metres away, and by then all the rest of our players have been manned up on. I.


If the forwards go as soon as Scotland gets the ball, then the forwards will be 40m away once the kick gets there.

You fail to look at how Geelong played, they moved quick, because their players ran hard and fast up the corridor towards the rebounding backmen. Did our forwards do that? No. My point stands - the forwards didn't lead, didn't create enough space, didn't present for the mids to be able to hit targets so they bombed it forward.

You look at Geelong's marks in the F50. How many of those were taken by forwards standing still parked at the top of the F50 arc? Pretty much zero.

If there was a target presenting for Scotland he would have gone to him - but there were no targets and hence he kicked short instead of bombing long.

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Wojee wrote:
Whitnall is a liability.

Too slow to play on a leading forward when played down back and his man just runs off him up forward. Naming him captain looks to be coming back to bite the club in the arse.


Last year when he won the BNF I did initially think he should be captain, but like me i think everyone got caught in the moment and rewarded him too much after one really good year. Was always going to be a risky move - defenders usually have to prove themselves over a number of years to know if they are REALLY good (look at Hay and Gaspar). Like the bracketed two, Whitnall had one great year.


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Guys, we got well beat by a team that was pumped and experienced. The Cats played really, really good football. We must remember that they are a team that is in the premiership window - talented, mature and well drilled. We one the other hand are in the rebulding phase and will get found out against the really top teams. Personally I think that we are blaming the midfield for our forward problems, the sole reason we lost the game was because our forward line was badly inexperienced/coached. Our forward structer allowed the cat backmen to cover Fev and hunt in packs which really destroyed our goaling opertunity as well as allowing them rebound into their forward 50. Pagan should have put a extra man in the backline and have our half forwards up the ground. We had enough of the ball early in the game to give ourselves a chance, but we clogged up our forward 50 and gave the advantage to the cat backmen, making guys like scarlett look better than they were. I thought that Scotland, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and Fev played well. Our defence looked bad, but is was the ease of resistance from our half forwards and midfield that gave them the ball so easily. Yes we lost badly, but make no doubt, the Cats of 07 will be a force and the best Victorian club alongside the Dogs.


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Which of the Assistant Coaches are responsible for the various sections of the team? This always confuses me. So far I know that Gavin Crossisca is the defence coach and Gary Dempsey is Ruck Coach, but how is the break up of Ratts, Libba, Danihar, Braddles etc. utilised :?

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Guys, we got well beat by a team that was pumped and experienced. The Cats played really, really good football. We must remember that they are a team that is in the premiership window - talented, mature and well drilled. We one the other hand are in the rebulding phase and will get found out against the really top teams. Personally I think that we are blaming the midfield for our forward problems, the sole reason we lost the game was because our forward line was badly inexperienced/coached. Our forward structer allowed the cat backmen to cover Fev and hunt in packs which really destroyed our goaling opertunity as well as allowing them rebound into their forward 50. Pagan should have put a extra man in the backline and have our half forwards up the ground. We had enough of the ball early in the game to give ourselves a chance, but we clogged up our forward 50 and gave the advantage to the cat backmen, making guys like scarlett look better than they were. I thought that Scotland, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and Fev played well. Our defence looked bad, but is was the ease of resistance from our half forwards and midfield that gave them the ball so easily. Yes we lost badly, but make no doubt, the Cats of 07 will be a force and the best Victorian club alongside the Dogs.




Good post -- Leigh Colbert said just before the bounce the Cats were pumped and he was spot on. Credit where credit is due...the Cats were red hot and wouldve smashed a few other teams in the comp the way they played on the night.


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A big difference between us and the top teams is the defensive pressure those teams put on the opposition. They run and run at both ends . Geelong had 3 or 4 players running to space with no blue within sight. Some of our players do not run hard enough. Houlihan is one. Great skills improved his size but doesnt run hard enough and too one paced. Houlihan in my view is a defender or forward not a tagger on a gun like G Ablett.

Scotland reads the play well. Cant be too critical. He has been a plus for us since coming from the Pies.


Whitnall is gone .Too slow now too short. Bower and Hartlett should be playing seniors, particularly Hartlett who is finally ready.


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Steve_C7 wrote:
Guys, we got well beat by a team that was pumped and experienced. The Cats played really, really good football. We must remember that they are a team that is in the premiership window - talented, mature and well drilled. We one the other hand are in the rebulding phase and will get found out against the really top teams. Personally I think that we are blaming the midfield for our forward problems, the sole reason we lost the game was because our forward line was badly inexperienced/coached. Our forward structer allowed the cat backmen to cover Fev and hunt in packs which really destroyed our goaling opertunity as well as allowing them rebound into their forward 50. Pagan should have put a extra man in the backline and have our half forwards up the ground. We had enough of the ball early in the game to give ourselves a chance, but we clogged up our forward 50 and gave the advantage to the cat backmen, making guys like scarlett look better than they were. I thought that Scotland, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and Fev played well. Our defence looked bad, but is was the ease of resistance from our half forwards and midfield that gave them the ball so easily. Yes we lost badly, but make no doubt, the Cats of 07 will be a force and the best Victorian club alongside the Dogs.


Good post Steve.

I reckon the Cats would have beaten anyone on Sat night whilst we were due for a "downer". Next week I expect us to bounce back against Essendon*.

IN: Bower, Hartlett
OUT: Whitnall, .........?

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KoRn wrote:
the soft and lazy houlihan is back, some of his effort was shit, gave up too easily


no, you are shit.

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Gets a heap of the ball yes. But notice almost 80 percent of his possies are cheap possessions, where he just receives the ball from a team mates feed. Whenever someone has the ball and Scotland is near, he demands it as if it is his right to have it. He's pathetic, makes some horrible decisions, is very slow in his decision making, and when we don't have the ball he is completely unaccountable. I didn't see him man up once tonight.

Houlihan:

Another disgrace, again gets it a heap, but is soft and gave away a few goals tonight

Whitnall:
Didn't get near it again. I'd love to know to know how he could have been made captain. Absolute mystery. Captain useless.


Thanks for the threadf Captain Misery, what a waste of time....


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the soft and lazy houlihan is back, some of his effort was shit, gave up too easily


no, you are shit.


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Scotland was fantastic, we needed a few more of him out there.

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the soft and lazy houlihan is back, some of his effort was shit, gave up too easily


no, you are shit.


if u disagree, tell me what u think, no need to be abusive flower


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Which of the Assistant Coaches are responsible for the various sections of the team? This always confuses me. So far I know that Gavin Crossisca is the defence coach and Gary Dempsey is Ruck Coach, but how is the break up of Ratts, Libba, Danihar, Braddles etc. utilised :?

Ratten is forwards, I think Braddles and Libba handle the midfield, and Daniher has a variety of roles including working on contested marking play.

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KoRn wrote:
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the soft and lazy houlihan is back, some of his effort was shit, gave up too easily


no, you are shit.


if u disagree, tell me what u think, no need to be abusive flower


I think you , and supporters like you are weak as piss, and the lack of supporters like you, used to be a strength of this footy club.

Thats what I think.


Not only are we a bottom team, but we now act like one.

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So i give a true fact analysis of a player makes me a weak piss? Don't let me catch you posting anything that says bad about the club too.


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