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Cons: What the flower was Gibbs being taught in a 14 goal drubbing standing Varcoe in the Geelong goalsquare. Some valuable minutes in the mid-field would have been a better option.


Why? Don't you think it is just as important for him to get his hands on the ball under pressure across HB, beat his opponent and pick up the tempo of the game? The Cats could afford to give Selwood a stroll through the middle because they were so dominant. When we were getting physical smashed there was no point in putting Gibbs in there. He will get his chance down the track.

Don't you think it is equally as important to leave the senior onballers in their roles and asked them to 'put in'. When you are 10 goals down they have to learn to dig deep and take some responsibility.

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He already got some important possessions across the HB line. But seeing him stand Varcoe in the Goalsquare was just a waste and was exactly what Mark Thompson wanted to happen.

Gibbs should be a part of our mid-field rotation now - and should have been given his opportunity for at least some part of that drubbing.

And besides our most senior mid-field general only has 13 more games experience than Gibbs. 8)

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Con - had to sit next to some flower Essendon* supporter :evil:


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Pros - The glimpse of our future. Gibbs, Murph, Walks, Kennedy etc. They're going to be great.

Cons - Didn't look for other options when Fev was covered.


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Pro's = Filth lost

Con's = we lost by a lot




The filth's loss certainly made ours that much more bearable. What an absolute tragic night it would have been otherwise...

By the way, with a signature like yours kp, I suppose you could say that after an effort like that against Geelong, things AIN'T QUITE RIGHT. Time to MOVE ON though. :)

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Pro - Gary Ablett Jnr is in my dream team. ;) I just wish we had such a player. He rarely goes to ground and is just so creative.


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We do, his name is Marc Murphy. Most balanced player in our team


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Well @#$%&! me.

I just got home from the euphoria of seeing the Pixies live, not knowing the score, and this is the first thread I blunder into.

@#$%&!!!

On a MASSIVE downer at the moment. I couldn't be more disappointed.

@#$%&!!!!


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Why would we want to put Gibbs in the middle and have him get smashed and dent his confidence, AGRO? :?

Surely it's much better to leave him where he was and have him grow in confidence knowing that he did his job properly and could hold his head high and belongs in the AFL. There's plenty of time for him to move in the middle, look at Walks now. I highly highly doubt he'd spend as much time as Walks did in the back half but it doesn't hurt to start your career there.

Pros:

Walker is a very good kick.
Murphy is back in form and is an out and out star.
Carrazzo has improved his kicking and general all-round game immensley.
Gibbs is a gun.

Cons:

The whole game pretty much, no heart or desire shown, absolutely shattering.


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Pro- we don't play Geelong again this year.


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Pros - Murph's first of many 30 possies, 1AW's best 2 game span of his career and Gibbs solid all round effort. Also I counted at least 4 smothers from Marc, nice one.

Con - When Mooney is playing smarter football than Whitnall you know somethings wrong. When was the last time we had a Best and Fairest champ play decent the following year?


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5. Reality check - we were getting a bit far ahead of ourselves. Players on media street. This perspective will inevitably help the club make the right decisions.


Exactly. A reality check for our supporters on where we really are.


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Pro- we don't play Geelong again this year.



Are you trying to be intentionally diversionary BW?

A team did their homework on us and we had no idea how to respond.
What did you expect?
Geelong are just a symptom, not the disease.
You're kidding yourself if you dont think there'll be
other "Geelongs" :evil:

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Nick wrote:
Why would we want to put Gibbs in the middle and have him get smashed and dent his confidence, AGRO? :?

Surely it's much better to leave him where he was and have him grow in confidence knowing that he did his job properly and could hold his head high and belongs in the AFL. There's plenty of time for him to move in the middle, look at Walks now. I highly highly doubt he'd spend as much time as Walks did in the back half but it doesn't hurt to start your career there.


Gibbs is surely skilled enough to play 10 -15 minutes in the midfield per game. In the Geelong game he seemed mostly to be either back pocket or half back flank.

I went to the Richmond game and they started him on the wing, gave him a role in the midfield for a while and he played hbf too (i think)

I won't be going to the Essendon* game, but if anyone has the time...can they do a tracker on Gibbs and where he is playing. Did he get benched for long periods of time in the Geelong game?

Good players - such as Murph, Gibbs, Waite, Scotland etc - should rarelyget benched.


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Con: We got smashed.

Pro: In the past, a 78 point thrashing would have a scoreline of 110-32 or thereabouts, but we did at least get to almost 100 in defeat.

Another step towards consistent competetive performances for mine.

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Our young blokes got a lesson last night, which will be good for them.
Gibbs, Murph, JK all worked really hard all night and I was happy with that. Gibbsy looked terrific I thought for a 2nd gamer.

The soft performance from our senior leaders will come under scrutiny.
I just hope that Icke & Swannee are given the power to make the hard decisions that they must realise they have to make at years end re player contracts because we all know that Pagan & Kernahan will want to extend certain contracts.

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Caz, i agree that Gibbs down back will teach him alot and we shouldn't throw him to the wolves..but he looked more than capable last night..It was like Deledio if anyone saw him play the Swans yesterday..was played on a back flank and dominated but as the commentators rightly said, it was time to move him into the middle in the last qtr so instead of setting up the play he could finish it off with his polish. WE Needed that from Gibbs last night...just 2-5 minute stints would have been enough...I just thought that we looked to have a Plan A last night and never deviated from that which is so dissapointing.

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Pros:
Walker - tried his guts out, and is improving his kicking and decision making
Gibbs - another game under his belt and played a good game, is getting the pace of the game (I disagree, he was better off at half back to get the tempo of the game)
Setanta - despite being crook during the week (as he said at training on Friday to a couple of his mates), I thought tried, and never gave up - another game in his rapid development.
Russell - I thought was good early, until he went off with a cut head. Threw himself at the ball on a few occassions and is getting more confident.
Betts - chased hard all night (the goals at the end were non impact).
Murphy - he was Murphy, all class.

Cons:
Exposed for pace - we need a serious injection of pace (Wojinski torn us apart)
We lost by plenty :x

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Well flower me.

I just got home from the euphoria of seeing the Pixies live, not knowing the score, and this is the first thread I blunder into.

flower!!

On a MASSIVE downer at the moment. I couldn't be more disappointed.

flower!!!


How good were the Pixies? saw them in Perth on Thursday... enough of that.

Pro's - Walker continues to run, Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazzo tried up forward, Wiggo presented all night and Cloke was great in the 1st Q, Fev not getting reported during a filthy game.

Con's - Cant think if too many 4 qtr players. Defence looked really slow, no forward line pressure - Geelongs run from the backline was a lesson. Joel Selwood should have been our first round pick after Gibbs as a PP

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Pro- we don't play Geelong again this year.



Are you trying to be intentionally diversionary BW?

A team did their homework on us and we had no idea how to respond.
What did you expect?
Geelong are just a symptom, not the disease.
You're kidding yourself if you dont think there'll be
other "Geelongs" :evil:


BV Would be interrested to know your thoughts on Geelong's game day tactics. From my point of view the game was won and lost in the contests. We were comprehensively beated by a superior and much more phydical side. Only only have to compare our respecive body sizes to realise we are no match ans why they have such a competitive advantage over us.

Our defence were placed under enormous pressure because of the ease in which they got only got the ball out of the middle but in the quality of their delivery. They marked the ball in their inside 50 more than 20 times and most of them were easy chest marks where our defenders had no chance of spoiling.

We tried to play man on man and not drop a loose man in defence and their forward line was left as open as it could get. They had numbers at the back and giving us no space forcing us to bomb it into contests where our forwards were outnumbered.

Apart from flooding down back what could have we done to stop their run and start ours? The same fate awaits us when we play teams like St Kilda and Swans.

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