Can someone show me Geelong's top draft pick's?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've built their list on the back of clever slections, not one of which were in the top 5 (could be wrong on that, but certainly it would only be 1-2 in the top 5), and father-son selections.

The majority of their picks have been outside the Top 10 and they've managed to become a force without bottoming out and playing for draft picks.

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Look how lucky the cats have been with F/S

And look at how many years it has taken them to get this far.

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Des Headland? I'll happily live with ten years of 9th or tenth possie giving it our all rather than one premiership earnt by throwing our hands up in the air and giving in.

WE ARE NOT F*CKING ST KILDA

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They have also had some very good F/S selections.
Their two best players were drafted under the father son rule.

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Des Headland was 1997 and you are absolutely right we are not F - U - C - K - I - N - G St. Kilda, they're shit.

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Thats exactly right, but we got lucky with Stevens and we got Waite from F/S. Geelong haven't used the PSD and didn't have the Top 5 selections.

It's much easier if you have top 5 selections, but it can be done without them. Is it worth compromising the integrity of the football club to play for them?

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Good one! I never said i had false hope, just asked when you think we should stop looking towards getting access to the best youngsters and start looking towards winning games - most are saying the two are mutualy exclusive so i was curious to know when people think we should look to go forward.

AGRO you answered this by saying - when we reach the finals. Do you think that one year of finishing down the bottom will resolve this percieved lack of talent in our playing list or do you think that we will need years down the bottom to make up for the missed opportunities bought about by black friday.

The problem i see is that all the other teams have players that they picked up in the first three rounds of the draft in 2002 and 2003 that will be coming through in the next 2-3 years to really have an impact on their teams. Players that are only having bit part roles now. We don't have any high draft pick players from that period of time. I think the gap between us and the other sides may open up due to the draft penalties in the next few years, not this year. We may find ourselves struggling in the next few years, regardless of whether we bottom out this year. The true extent of the damage done to the club won't be fully realised for another few season i fear.

so AGRO, there is my question. Hope that's a bit clearer.

Beautifully put.

No, we sold our pride down the river when we cheated Deano.
We sold our pride when we snubbed our nose at progress and allowed our club to become perrenial losers.
Lets get over this "proud strong Carlton" philosophy.

It went down the toilet with good business practices under the Elliott regime.
We dont accept success if its achieved with priority draft picks but we'll take them when we cheat the system?

Pride comes with succeeding under the system.
Playing by the same rules as everybody else and doing it better.

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Not having a go at you Deano, just curious. Is this one of the main reasons why you are opposed to getting draft picks? Coz we're "doing a St Kilda"?

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I never said it was a quick fix - but I tell you what though you only have to look at Brisbane and the drop from absolute champions to being another player in the pack is pretty quick.

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Sums it up perfectly

BTW, can some people maybe consider that we're just not good enough to win the games in the first place!

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This is where your wrong. You don't win a premiership in the preseason competition by being pathetic or this bad. We did beat a full strength WestCoast. Cover it up how you like, fact is we played and beat them and they are undefeated.

sorry it doesn't sum it up, it actually misses the point entirely.

Forget Carlton, think Essendon* or think Collingwood (yes, yes i know but try anyway).

Point 1: Essendon*. Have striven to finish in the top 8 and play finals year after year because they see themselves as a proud, well run successful club - price for this. A Nosedive. flower, should be striving to finish last for three or four years.


Point 2: Collingwood. As much as we hate them Collingwood had pushed to get the best out of themselves, reaching two GF's with a list most here would accept as being nor quite there. Instead of reward for their efforts - crash to the bottom, and if smart, sit there for two years.

Now both these clubs, like us, push to be the best over sustained periods, argue all you like about methods, but that is not the point, the poiint is in the striving. Jump to football 2005. Forget pushing yourselves, forget striving, accept the list as shit, tank (oh sorry play the kids) and start again.

How can anyone possibly be excited by this?

If we stay at the bottom for say three years and have the talent everyone gets a fat about, so what? have we exceeded, have we done a 70's and beaten the better side (or so everyone thought)? or 72? What about '99 - according to this new philosophy carlton were stupid to piush themselves to get as far as they did that year, far better to lay down like beaten dogs and plan for the future.

Waht future?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Forget about the Wizz Cup. Did you not hear both Sticks and Diesel on the radio say that we had absolutely no right to win that comp? That the victory made us look a lot better than we were. That they were surprised how our opposition during the WC matches let us pretty much do whatever we wanted. Did you read the Collo article pretty much saying exactly the same thing last week?

This is Collo and Sticks talking. Don't take my word for it, take theirs. If there's anybody that knows the reality of our list it is these two blokes.

Wizz Cup victory = red herring

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If you have list management as a priority you would always be looking to get the best youngster available...even when you win flags you have to be looking at dumping a good player or two to get some serious picks especially in a strong draft.
Ideally you dont want to bottom out but you have to have some vision and insight into which of your top players is on the way down and which you can afford to get rid off......you trade an Akermanis for a top five pick ..in a strong draft that could be Tambling, Griffen or Franklin....
Aker has had his day..3 flags , brownlow but might be appealing to a Terry Wallace or Eddie Maguire or Eade.....I would have traded Aker.....and got a top pick....its about the next cycle for Brisbane in three to five years time..

Might be in five years time you have to trade Jonothan Brown to get the next Jonothan Brown.......you have to have the guts to do it...trade a household brand name star to get the precious life blood of a club...high draft picks....

gee that's going to invite passion from the kids.

i think too many ehere actually think it is all about winning.

It isn't, its actually about club culture






but winning helps

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

the tripe in this thread is amazing.

glad to see there are some that wont except the tripe that is being put forth here.

If i even got wind that the club "was tanking" games or "doing its best to lose" it would be the last time i would buy a membership and i would forever not watch AFL.

The game is rooted as it is, and it is only the CFC that keeps me interested, but if we where to go down the path that some here suggest, well Super 14's for me.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

What would you want them to say? Seriously do you think they would turn on the seniors players, as they should be, or try and protect them?
I find it hard to believe that WestCoast simply let us do what we wanted to do that night as I was definitely there watching. Was Worsfolds address to his players on the ground after the game a mirage? or the $200K on offer would have been baulked at? or the players not wanting to win a premiership medallion? Sorry but we beat them and have no excuses for what we are dishing up now. Two completely different sides as far as I'm concerned and not personnal as such either.

I agree with what you are saying, but the fact still remains we have not played as a disciplined team, or with the skill we displayed for the most part of the Wizzer Cup campaign in the season proper. Forget the trophy, we hit targets, we manned up, we created space and we tackled ferociously.

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