This may be a silly question but.....At this present time are you suggesting he doesn't have the support of the players now????

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

All very well to put up footage of Robbie Walls in the '72 GF when the whole team of champions ran amok.

I saw every game that Walls played for Carlton.....EVERY GAME.....he was a good creative player who played some great games for Carlton.

Usually......he was a heartbreaker.....dropping marks.....not going in hard enough for someone who was/is 6'4".....he was NOT a great player.

It's almost laughable seeing posters assert how good he was .....especially in '72.....when they were either 2....or not even born !

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I was just going on hearsay and wikipedia personally

Look.....he WAS a VERY creative CHF.....fairly mobile for a big man; and a real thinker.

Barassi had him lead towards the goals instead of the normal lead up the ground to take a pass from team mates.....and team mates like Ian Robertson who was a magnificent kick; would kick over Walls's head so that he was running towards goal and would just take the ball on the run behind the pack and run into goal......it worked really well.

But.....IMO....he was NOT a GREAT player.....not consistently.

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I didn't think he was but I wasn't going to get into an argument about something I knew little about.

That is so refreshing to hear!

Importantly.....we all love Carlton....

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I believe that Ratten will be the next coach of Carlton.

I wouldnt be too upset though if I was wrong and Voss was coach.

Voss lacks experience, simply because he hasnt yet chosen to take coaching on in any capacity.

He does have what it takes to succeed at coaching though.

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I think there may be a new captain before there is a new coach.

..there's a follow-up article on this from vossy.. ..seems he doesn't place to much stock in needing an assistant coach apprenticeship prior to becoming a senior coach.. ..just wondering if he thinks because of his cred as a player if he's above being an assistant coach..


http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/v ... 41486.html

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Geez warby, have to take you up on that. I guess the 'great player' debate comes down to what you define as a great player. Leigh Mathews, John Nicholls, are indupitably great players. Consistently winning b& fs etc. Was Blighty a great player? He was one of the most talented I have seen, yet he didn't consistently perform. When he turned it on he was unbeatable. Wallsy didn't have Careyesque natural talent. He didn't have great pace and he had no spring. But he had great balance, agility and recovery. He was a good judge of a mark and used his body well. He took lots of acrobatic chest marks but his lack of spring meant he didn't take a lot of overhead marks. He was certainly courageous. He got hammered many times, most notably the Baker hit and he went hard after Baker the next time they played and had Baker backing off. Wallsy would snipe, giving his opponent a whack in the tummy to give himseelf a few yards on the lead knowing he would be hammered when he marked. I was a kid when I first saw him play and a teenager when he left the Blues. Maybe I have rose coloured glasses. Re 72 maybe if you want to discount that try 73, when we were belted and beaten but wallsy played really well putting his head over the ball knowing half the Richmond team were thugs. Was he a great? I'd say so. Was he on the same line as Mathews and Nick, definitely not, but few are. Maybe the best coaches are those who have got every ounce of talent from themselves and are not supergifted by AFL standards - Worsfold, Malthouse Pagan Sheedy. But Blighty and Roos were sublimely gifted and they have managed to win flags with sides that didn't seem at the time to be the most talented. I guess good coaches are the ones who are good coaches. The one thing almost all have in common is an apprenticeship as an assistant.

this is pertaining to michael Voss - As Dick Pratt said, if you want the best & someone is available - thay are not the best, where does that fit into all thats said

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We will be back as a force - keep watchin this space !!

Listening to an Akermanis radio interview yesterday when THAT question was asked ....."Is he/was (Voss) a Coach in waiting?".....and the answer was immediate......"Oh....No.....in a few years perhaps.....he probably should look for an assistant's job first at one or two Clubs"

Hardly an enthusiastic opinion from a team mate of 13 years.

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That's interesting Warby on Walls not going that hard at the contest all the time, for some reason I've always pictured him as a real hard nut.

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Arkemanis says he isnt so he isnt.....



As for Walls he was the prototype CHF... He was the Reiwoldt with flower in him....Walls could probably play CHF in this era... unlike Lance...

Gun CHF... and did it aged 16 or something... multiple premiership CHF and a BIG GAME player...

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I reckon Pagan is just tolerated Cazz.. nothing more....

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Mate.....my Wife and I saw every game he played.....clever....mobile....reasonably quick for 6'4"....NOT a high mark normally....at all....wasn't able to dominate games a la Carey or Kernahan or Hart.....but a classy CHF....but NOT a GREAT player....his biggest attribute was tapping the ball out to team mates when perhaps he was expected to mark it by everyone else at the ground.

No doubt....he wasn't pushed around but....he was no Maclure or Vin Waite......he was no enforcer.

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From the guy that thinks Lance is a gun.....

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Show everyone on site where I've said that.....you are delusional.

You won't be able to do it....I've called your bluff....you're full of it.

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My mail is it's happy families all around so I guess it's who you believe or who you listen to. The entire vibe has changed since 2006 and so have the feelings of those that matter and those that call the shots within the playing group.

The leadership group couldn't be happier with the way things are going and that is proven by the way the players are giving their all. Unhappy players don't give their all and come from behind time and again to win games.

You can come up with all manner of reasons why, but the fact is this is no-longer circa 2006

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Well, I saw every game he played except the 30.30 vs Hawthorn, and he was a dead set hard nut who was always hard at the contest, took all the punishment handed out to him, and gave a bit back himself.

gerry atric remembers him the same as I did ... a great CHF who was not a great overhead mark due to lack of spring, but invariable brought the ball to ground as his role dictated. The less observant/tolerant fans gave him heaps for not marking everything that came his way, but he always gave a genuine contest, and indeed was a consistent big game performer.

He was not an enforcer, more a niggler. Also, Vin Waite was not really an enforcer either ... not a squeak from him in the 1973 GF, but Walls stood up all game.