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George Harris
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I love the Dome, it IS the best sports stadium in the country. Fev loves it too and always kicks a bag of goals, everyone gets a good seat to see the game and the medalian clubs is fantastic, so what's the problem?


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Besides us Carlton Tragics who would want to see Carlton on FTA over the last 3 years (it has been bad enough having to watch it each week as a member) our FTA viewing has been a reflection of our ladder position.
This will all change over the course of the next 2 years, we will then be in a power position to move more games to the G as they will be a constant sell out at TD. And the AFl will have to do something as they will be loosing $$$

When we are a chance to smash an interstate team or we are fighting for a top 4 position on the ladder,how many people will turn up 16K or 50K.

And could all of these people fit/want to go to Optus.

I love my home ground G or TD
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I thought moving to the dome and the G was going to get us on free to air more and that it the Tv stations didn't want to cover games at Princes Park. Another Collins(Worst president in the club's history) lie.

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Let's keep it simple hey - We will not get FTA coverage while we are sitting on the bottom of the ladder, it's that simple. I'm not willing to cane the decisions made just yet until we are performing well & force the AFL to schedule us on FTA. You've all seen the shit we have dished out the last few years so I don't have an issue with us not being shown on FTA during that time. I do however expect this to change from next year onwards as we are clearly a more exciting team to watch & might actually win some more games!!

And as for the TD deal to match Essendons. I don't know exactly what it entails but I fail to see how we can expect to make any sort of decent money when we are getting 20,000 to a game at the dome!! Once again though, with on field success should see a boost in crowd numbers = dollars.

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Social club membership that sticks you behind the goals at Telstra Dome?

Pfffffft! :evil:

Collo stooged us and sold us out when we would have received as good deal from Stephen Gough to move to the G.
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BlueIce wrote:
Collo stooged us and sold us out when we would have received as good deal from Stephen Gough to move to the G.


The AFL would not let us deal with the"G" solely :evil: - they wanted us mainly at Telstra Dome, and the "G" was for our big drawing crowded Home games.

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The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support

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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?
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anfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?


above 30,000 no one makes money with those crowds
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JackWorrall wrote:
To quote Disraeli or Twain (take your pick), "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

There are a couple of things to be drawn from this squalid little piece from Smith. Firstly, I can pluck any number required to suit my argument, which is exactly what Smith has done. Given his history of many words but little fact, I don't give a lot of credence to what he's written in this offering, and even if the data he's selectively used is correct, we don't know what has been left out.

Secondly, my initial thought after reading the item (after the sense that I'd been violated), was that it was a pointless exercise. At the end, I felt like I wasn't any more informed than before I started. We all knew our revenue was down, so that's hardly earth-shattering, Greg Swann will have a knowledge of our last annual report, and I'd suggest that painted a fairly accurate picture, so our new CEO is hardly going to be 'stunned'.

This Smith article is, as usual, a complete waste of space, paper, ink and time.


whole heartedly agree. Fatprick serves his nefarious purpose again - creating self doubt and dispersing ill will.

where is that :(TJones:( emotican when you need it, eh. The :garthp: just doesn't cut it in this instance!

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blueboy8 wrote:
anfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?


above 30,000 no one makes money with those crowds


So we averaged only 5,000 above the break even point?

And we made 5,000,000 from our home games.

So split the 5mil over 11 home games. Divide that by the 5,000 attendees we averaged over the break even point and it turns out that every extra bum on seat at our home games over the break even point of 30,000 is worth abotu $90 in profit to the club!

Wow.
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Mordan wrote:
blueboy8 wrote:
anfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?


above 30,000 no one makes money with those crowds


So we averaged only 5,000 above the break even point?

And we made 5,000,000 from our home games.

So split the 5mil over 11 home games. Divide that by the 5,000 attendees we averaged over the break even point and it turns out that every extra bum on seat at our home games over the break even point of 30,000 is worth abotu $90 in profit to the club!

Wow.


I said above 30,000 probably closer to 35,000 for break even. It isn't worth trying to calculate in that detail. It depends on different fact if people reserve there seat and how many away supports come.
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blueboy8 wrote:
Mordan wrote:
blueboy8 wrote:
anfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?


above 30,000 no one makes money with those crowds


So we averaged only 5,000 above the break even point?

And we made 5,000,000 from our home games.

So split the 5mil over 11 home games. Divide that by the 5,000 attendees we averaged over the break even point and it turns out that every extra bum on seat at our home games over the break even point of 30,000 is worth abotu $90 in profit to the club!

Wow.


I said above 30,000 probably closer to 35,000 for break even. It isn't worth trying to calculate in that detail. It depends on different fact if people reserve there seat and how many away supports come.


I know what you said and if you look at the calculations I made, it's obviously complete rubbish. We only averaged 35,000 for the year, yet made $5 mil from our home games. And you claim we only averaged the break even point?

We averaged 35,000 at our home games. We made $5 million from our home games. The break even point CANNOT be 35,000. As calculated above, if the break even point is 30,000 then each extra person above the break even point is bringing us about $90 each. An average person doesn't spend $90 at the footy, let alone $90 straight to the club.
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the concept of break-even point as quoted in the media is spurious. It does not include any season ticket revenue (membership or reserved seat), any corporate revenue, any catering revenue, any signage revenue etc...

If everyone who shows up is a carlton member and does not contribute to the gate, there is no break even point as no revenue will be collected (revenue having been received on a seasonal basis)

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Congratulations to Patrick Smith...

he's achieved exactly what he wanted. Derailed all of us from thinking about the successful reinvigoration strategy from the current board, and arguing among ourselves about the past.

Let's leave Fatprick in the past - carping, whinging, and whining.

For those of us who want to continue on to a positive Carlto future, then let's forget all of these could haves, should haves, would haves. Right or wrong it all happened. Keep cranking the bandwagon, keep supporting your club, keep the finances ticking over - and then prepare yourselves for the one Monday in October when Patrick Smith's article in The Australian will be headlined 'Blues Premiership Waltz A Total Reincarnation'.
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In fact, I'm so mad about you lot that I'll say this again,

Fatprick Smith is a poisonous and vitriolic piece of journalistic scum. Don't be sucked in by any of his venom.

Keep positive, and you'll find that together we will eventually make Fatprick look like the village idiot that we all know he is.

Don't fall for this stupid man's agenda!
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All Essendon* games are fully ticketed, which means everyone has to pay extra to reserve a seat, so how much more do they make from that?
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BlueWorld wrote:
All Essendon* games are fully ticketed, which means everyone has to pay extra to reserve a seat, so how much more do they make from that?


Even the members with a guaranteed reserved seat (like the CFC membership I have)?
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blueboy8 wrote:
Mordan wrote:
blueboy8 wrote:
anfield wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
The G is no better than the dome financially unless you are collingwood

except for beyond sport shop, we do have same deal as dons except:

They have 35,000 members, we have 27,000
They have 15,000 reserved seat holders, we have 7,000
They average 40,000 crowd, we average 35,000
They have great corporate support, we have limited corporate support


Does anyone know what the deal is? At the dome we do we start making money or the breakeven amount for a crowd !8,000 ? 20,000?


above 30,000 no one makes money with those crowds


So we averaged only 5,000 above the break even point?

And we made 5,000,000 from our home games.

So split the 5mil over 11 home games. Divide that by the 5,000 attendees we averaged over the break even point and it turns out that every extra bum on seat at our home games over the break even point of 30,000 is worth abotu $90 in profit to the club!

Wow.


I said above 30,000 probably closer to 35,000 for break even. It isn't worth trying to calculate in that detail. It depends on different fact if people reserve there seat and how many away supports come.


35,000 sounds, sorry, absolutely ridiculous .
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BlueWorld
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anfield wrote:
BlueWorld wrote:
All Essendon* games are fully ticketed, which means everyone has to pay extra to reserve a seat, so how much more do they make from that?


Even the members with a guaranteed reserved seat (like the CFC membership I have)?


No but you can't go to level 3 as you can at Carlton games and sit there unless you've paid for a reserved seat.
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