Yes, I see your point. Lance trains far better than Stevo....doesnt go out til 5am in Ballarat and doesnt drink.
Lance must have ran up and down the ground 100 times on Sunday busting his gut while Stevo bludged in the pocket.

You make some fascinating points.



Did Lance drink as well? Ask Stevo who his drinking partner was!

I find this fascinating. You dont want Stevo as an example yet you want Lance.
Remind me what Lances redeeming features are.



Well, no ones going to take this one seriously.

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Isn't Stevens THE preseason pemiership king?
Four cups and two best-on-fields?

I don't know - is your boss responsible for your behaviour when you leave work? I don't blame Kouta for this

But you are right on the last point - forward looking is the way to go - so Red is captain, the decision's been made, let's get on with the business of winning games

I want what best for the club Lance when the decision was made was best for the club I will prefer it goes to a young kid in the next year or two Murphy the obvious choice.

I dont like when people say Stevens would have been a better choice. Will will know Stevens true colours after his contract is signed will see if he holds the club to ransom.

I would have been happy if Steven got the job also but I dont believe he is any better then Lance.

the club made the wrong decision appointing Lance as captain but it has to cop it on the chin for awhile. To stand down a captain after a 2 months would create a media frenzy that the club doesn't need. If Lance continues the way he's going he should be marked down as injured and told he'll be considered for selection when his fitness is up to scratch. Sacking or demotion to the VFL just opens the club to ridicule

This is the most poignant section for me. This is stating the obvious, as he's not going to play uncontracted, so maybe this is a (perhaps unconscious) reminder to the club where his priorities lie.

While I was delighted with Stevens' game last Sunday, I still sense mercenary instincts in his behaviour. I look forward to being proved wrong (yet again).

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I knew that we had been tanking the last couple of years. We wouldn't have Murphy or Gibbs now if the players didn't go out on those all night benders. Thanks Stevo - one for the team...

Funny spends an entire article saying the last three years he has been on one big bender and then says he is not sure why he wasn't made captain


Lucky these guys can play footy

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Lets wait till seasons end to determine if Lance is the right choice. I think its really harsh to condem the bloke after only 1 match!!!!!!

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW STEVENS.....

it's the 'new' Carlton way!

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..seriously.. ..in regards to the passed two seasons and the late night booze ups.. ..if i was contracted to a company where i was expected to risk injury week in week out, and the company did nothing to improve i'd be out drinking every second week too..

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..in regards to mentioning contracts.. ..well, i'd be on the front foot too, especially considering how the club's managed contract renewals as of late.. ..i think stevens has served the club well, when the clubs done little to serve its players..(until recently)

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He was under the Primus regime as well, the supposed ultimate on/off field captain. Read somewhere he would be the one who would say, "Right boys, let's call it a night." Sad he never won a Premiership.
Anyway, Stevo is now trying to set that same example now, and more importantly so with Lance being ridiculed in all sections of the paper.

Would still like to see Stevo captain, though. What would be wrong with Stevo at the helm and Murphy his Vice?

And how many wasted years did we have with Red because of his weight problems and non commitment to fitness...hmmm.. how quickly we forget

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touche...

Good reasons perhaps as to why neither should be captain, depending on your view

However, in the absence of other suitable contenders, Lance is captain - to do something to change that now would make the club look stupid. We should all get behind him - he's a Carlton man through and through, he probably doesn't have too many years left in the game, and he's warming the seat until Murphy takes over the reins, similar to the way Mark Maclure was skipper until Sticks took over

Why is that Richmand bloke in your avatar?

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I was not and am not making this into a Stevo V Lance debate. Lance was committed to the club and correct me if I am wrong, had a much better year last year than Stevo. The Club had a problem that if Stevo wasn't going to commit to the club (and still hasn't as yet) then how could you appoint him captain? Although Lance probably wasn't the clubs first choice as captain who else was there? Stevo had a bad year and may not stick around if the blues fail to improve, Murphy is WAY too young and doesn't need that pressure, Lappin is not a natural leader, Houli same, Walker still needs to keep learning without the distraction etc...

One other point regarding all those who complain about the culture at the club over the past few years. The thing that keeps comming back to my mind was the comment from Pagan that he made over and over again - We need to have players competing for their position on the field. Was he trying to say the he had no way of fixing the problem? Can't send them into the reserves because there was no-one to replace them, so how do you disipline a player for not training well, drinking too much, late nights etc? I have always been a harsh critic of Pagan, but I am now starting to reconsider that position with all the reports comming from the club now

Gold

Stevo is the shizzle da fizzle

Poor old collingwood for ever.............

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Are you guys trying to say that Lance didn't do the same thing (ie. boozing, late nights etc)? That certainly contradicts the many, many reports I've been hearing, not even taking into account Ballarat. At least Stevo is admitting it now.