I cannot believe how utterly stupid some of you people are – why aren’t you guys singing their praises!!! After that disgusting dribble that was served up against the Hawks two weeks ago we have finally got it right. Two massive tanks in a row!!!

We are finally getting the hang of it – can’t tackle, can’t block or shepherd, can’t kick or handball, can’t mark or smother or backup or fight. In fact I cannot remember a finer or more even Carlton performance from all 22 players.

Now we only have the Pies, Bummers and Hawks in front (behind) of us and that exalted PP – unfortunately we have a wicked home run but….. we may just get there.

STOOOOOOOOP THEEE BLUUUUUUUIEES!!

PS I hope Longmuir gets back next week – he was very stiff to miss out…..

Something I've not understood in my six years of following footy - if Carlton is this proud and mighty club that had a bunch of cash to buy players in the old days blah de blah - why have we only got 16 premierships? Why would we be proud to have won only two premierships in the last 20 or so years?

An article yesterday suggested Kernahan thought we were setting up for a dynasty ini '87 - never happened. Am I completely out of place suggesting we THINK we're great but aren't? In other words, with the all the money we were throwing around in the 80s etc - did we under-achieve?

I'm not inviting comparisons to St Kilda's and Geelong's and Melbourne's etc lack of success - I'm talking about this proud and mighty club that, on paper, appears to be underachievers

I'm sure it's hard to win a premiership but that's not the point. If we're so amazing - they'd be a cakewalk [oops, wrong team].

Opposition supporters continually label me arrogant because I'm a Blues supporter. Er, I've not seen anything in six years to be arrogant about! It's because of your history, they say! What history? In the last 20 years I would rate the 90s Roos, 90s WC, the Bombers almost all of the time, Hawthorn 80s, Brisbane 00s ... as teams with a better history.

The greatest team in the comp? Not through my eyes

ENDS

I don't know about this best club business

I only follow Carlton so that the Ghost's articles make sense.

Ghost > Football

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Question for those of you who believe we shouldn't bottom out...

What are our other options?

What should we look at if we don't use the draft to our advantage?

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If your advocating tanking games for "priority picks" then you're barracking the wrong club.

MENS SANA IN CORPORE SANO

got it?

I just want to see bloody Rusty in the team, I don't care if we win or lose

JORDAN RUSSELL!!!

LUKE BLACKWELL!!!

SOMEONE!!!!!

I tell ya, I don't want to get involved in this "lets tank" debate, but I'd bloody love a top 5 midfielder right about now.

And if we had 2 top 5 picks.... well.... shit.... we could use them.

But, on the other hand, players (sans Norman) aren't stupid. They'll know we're tanking. What message does that send to the players who have been part of the post 2002 renaissance (such as it is)???

They should walk a dangerous line, or playing to win while giving the kids a taste.

Doing that will get us a reasonable pick anyway.

As I've said, any pick in the top 10 should be a peach. You'd have to be either unlucky or stupid to fail on a top 10 pick these days. You're more likely to get a good player than not.

You play to win, but you pump up Russell and Simpson and slowly push out the "experienced" players who don't put in.

Win/Lose/Draw that'll be a good long-term result anyway, irrespective of where we finish.

Pagan's just got to start being more creative with his matchups, and run some mid-range players (Davies!!!) into form

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No worries Leonidas - lets go for another 4 years of finishing 10th and we will see who is sane and needs a quadruple bypass.

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htp - don't mean to be a smart-arse but the first phrase in your post answers your own question.

also ... "history" didn't start in 1990!!

BUT, i agree though that the reality of the last 20 years are not what is often reported, but that's cos the people reporting it have taken as gospel whatever that buffoon ex-president said.

sticks may have thought we were creating a dynasty in 87, but wes lofts obviously didn't agree when he told walls that he had just seen the worst carlton side win a flag.

don't buy into all the cliches and urban myths!!

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If the system means that we need to stooge around the bottom for the 4 or 5 years, before being allowed to be successful then I am sorry but I have better things to do with my time. I go to the footy to watch a contest, a team trying its hardest to win, actual winning and losing is secondary and all the dumbarse things that makes sport so great. But I will not go watch and a team 'playing to lose.' That is not sport and that is not footy to me. If that is what footy has become, then it is not footy anymore.

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If the system means that we need to stooge around the bottom for the 4 or 5 years, before being allowed to be successful then I am sorry but I have better things to do with my time. I go to the footy to watch a contest, a team trying its hardest to win, actual winning and losing is secondary and all the dumbarse things that makes sport so great. But I will not go watch and a team 'playing to lose.' That is not sport and that is not footy to me. If that is what footy has become, then it is not footy anymore.

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I agree with Dannyboy. All we are all doing is waiting our turn. Its a circus.

I get my footy jolllies by looking at the list and working out how many games we should win. If we get that then that is our flag. If we dont then we have had a shit season. A bit like golf and handycaps.

We are really fooled by the league as it is now. Like the comparison to BigBrother.

The Afl needs a relegation system.

Can we relegate Jabba first?

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that's my point BM - its not the 'what should the club do?' its the 'do I want them to do it?'

I am seriously considering taking out a VFL membership with my son and going to see games where at least contests are the order of the day. And if it doesn't happen there then maybe its the amatuers - the skill level will be less but the 'sport' will be far greater.


Carlton is my team but is this sport any longer my sport?

that's the question i am having to work through because i am sick and tired of having the 'we need to lose to win' mentality held up as the way forward. I had hoped there was another way but this season confirms that being shit for three years is the only way unless you get lucky with two or three great FS picks.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

From this point forward I would rather Carlton win 1 premiership every 100 years by fighting/beating the system, than win 6 every 100 years (100 divided by 16) by playing to lose.

Simple. As. That.

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Geelong have never bottomed out. Highest pick has been 7.

Exactly Mark. Exactly.

And ultermately you would actually be proud of the achievement.

I can just see you all proud in 100 years Surrey... youll have your favourite suit on.

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hey Maxy, you're not being a smart-arse, but your reply deserves a reply

Although I have followed the game for only six years, I HAVE used my unique powers of 'conversation' and 'reading' to discover the history of the CFC. Through my relationship with one of the club hierarchy's daughters I have learnt an AWFUL lot about the club. So - don't be deceived by my scant years of fandom!

ANYWAY ...

The reason I mentioned the last 20 years is that that is period that pretty much ALL of the posters on this site are familiar with. I don't know of many 100+ year olds who contribute to internet forums so figured it was safer to use the last two decades because we have ALL been through SOME of that period.

Something I was hoping to steer discussion toward was this - if we failed dismally [well, two premierships in 20 years isn't dismal but it isn't great when you're supposedly the best] using the old system of throwing money around etc, why do we insist on calling ourselves wonderful? And by extension, if that was the result when we were wealthy and at great advantage to use the existing system to our ends, what are we going to be like in this newish system of draft picks, concessions etc?

Oops - just re-read and I sound like a smart-arse!

Anyway, this post is hijacking a thread that was probably off to retired thread land so I'll leave it at that. Suffice it to say, I just discovered the 'View My Posts' button - hence my revisitation

Bye for now