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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:38 am 
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Sporn doesn't have the physicality nor the physique to be an in and under type.


Nor the finishing skills or awareness


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Sporn's disposal is actually very good. But his teammates are just flat footed.

He's trying to do something creative and succumbing to the easy kicks philosophy of so many of the senior players.

Back to Johnson, personally he showed yesterday what a decent midfield will do, i.e. expose him on the rebound if he can't get the hard ball. GAWN.

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Time to give Bentick a go IMO, Johnno´s had a good run and we´ve seen the good, the bad and the down right ugly ... come in AB, next batter up.


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Blue4ever wrote:
Nor the finishing skills or awareness


Can't agree, Blue4ever. Sporn is one of the better kicks at the club. Johnson would be close to the worst.


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phoenix johnson wrote:
Sporn doesn't have the physicality nor the physique to be an in and under type.


Good to see Sporn being picked to play in the guts in tomorrow's VFL side, I reckon.


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Stefchook wrote:
phoenix johnson wrote:
Sporn doesn't have the physicality nor the physique to be an in and under type.


Good to see Sporn being picked to play in the guts in tomorrow's VFL side, I reckon.


For sure.
Will be interesting to hear how he goes.

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Johnson was very poor last night.

His pace was woefully shown to be very inadequate. His failure to be able to keep with his opponent cost us a goal in the first quarter (he was dragged for it).

He was continually chasing tail, couldn't get hands on the ball first and with his pace, was not going to get the ball.

Just shows that when his opponent is disciplined or is a far quicker player that he will be found out. Johnson is good if you just leave him for clearances and the other team is slack manning him up so that when he gets the ball he has time to steady a disposal but he has neither presence nor enough physicality to hold down a position.

I think his time is up to be honest.

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Totally agree CarltonClem. His lack of pace, combined with his shocking disposal has become a liability for this team. You cannot question his work ethic, his dedication, and he is definitely a team player, but the simple fact is the guy does not have what it takes to play AFL. IMO Johnson is not the future of the club, and he should never be played ahead of someone like Bentick, who is the future.


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I'm actually surprised he got another go. His problem is not only does he have obvious deficiencies which are always going to make an AFL career difficult. But he's part of a team which shares a number of those same difficulties as well. So it actually magnifies his weaknesses even more.

Perhaps if he was at a skilful, quick team, his strengths might be enough to carve out a career (like McGough at St Kilda). But I don't think we're anywhere near being able to 'carry' his weaknesses.

We're obviously back in development mode, so we might as well bite the bullet now (and see if Bentick has what it takes).


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IMO Johnson is not the future of the club, and he should never be played ahead of someone like Bentick, who is the future.


Who said he was meant to be?
In fact out of all the Foreign Legion, how many of them were going to be our future?
They are labeled as 'recycled' players for a reason as they couldn't get a game at their former clubs.
They were brought to the club not only because they were players who wanted to play under and for Pagan, but because we didn't have enough quality youngsters on our list to step up and make difference.

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I defy anyone to tell me that Brett Johnson is not a valuable, and integral, part of our side.


Consider yourself defied upon! IMO, should not be taking a spot off another player for the rest of the year. And then should be delisted after round 22. Sorry Johnno, you're a lot better than I ever was, but you're not up to AFL standard.


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I defy anyone to tell me that Brett Johnson is not a valuable, and integral, part of our side.


Consider yourself defied upon! IMO, should not be taking a spot off another player for the rest of the year. And then should be delisted after round 22. Sorry Johnno, you're a lot better than I ever was, but you're not up to AFL standard.


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PJ: Just because someone is a recycled player does not mean they cannot become a part of the future. I am sure Pagan was hoping that some of them, such as Teague, could take the next step and become long term players for us. Some have, such as Teague, and some won't, such as Johnson. Johnson will not be here next year.


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PJ: Just because someone is a recycled player does not mean they cannot become a part of the future. I am sure Pagan was hoping that some of them, such as Teague, could take the next step and become long term players for us. Some have, such as Teague, and some won't, such as Johnson. Johnson will not be here next year.


I'd go as far as saying none of the recycled players we drafted that year will be apart of our long term future.

It would seem all of them have taken a step backwards from last year.

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I don't think they were brought to the club to be part of our long term future...they were brought to the club to give us some stability whilst we were unearthing the talent that would take us to our next flag...

Of course there's a possibility that one or two will forge successful careers at Carlton eg David Teague and maybe one or two others but that will just be a bonus really..

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Look, with the 'recycled' players that came in 2 seasons ago, Pagan would have just been asking for them to compete and have a strong will to succeed.

With what we gained from that bunch, we have certainly done alright. A few of those players has done what Pagan asked of them and that is great.

Nothing can ever outmark the level of PASSION a player has of the game.


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sellers spoke on 3 LO about the recycled mob tody. Said that he expected them to fall away after a must do year last year(given they were axed from their original club). Said that usually in year two the flaws that led to them being traded usually came to the fore.

Guess that's the Murphy factor :lol:

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Johnson and his fellow recycled are interim players until we recruit a quality core base of players....


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Teague should be a long term player. There are plenty of recycled players who have had long careers at their second club- e.g Lappin, Rice, Hogg, Clement, McPhee...


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