Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the pro retread mentality died with the arrival of Mark Murphy.

God, is Blue Vain the only champion of forward thinking (apart from ‘yours truly’ ) on this board? For those who think that the retread route was a necessary evil, let me first commend you for at least acknowledging that it was, indeed, evil. However, let’s just assume, for the moment, that you have a good point. Given that, haven’t you blokes heard of the word subtle? This is not a Pro-Pagan/Anti-Pagan argument. The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€

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[quote="Pafloyul"]Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the pro retread mentality died with the arrival of Mark Murphy.

God, is Blue Vain the only champion of forward thinking (apart from ‘yours truly’ ) on this board? For those who think that the retread route was a necessary evil, let me first commend you for at least acknowledging that it was, indeed, evil. However, let’s just assume, for the moment, that you have a good point. Given that, haven’t you blokes heard of the word subtle? This is not a Pro-Pagan/Anti-Pagan argument. The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€

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[quote="Pafloyul"]The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€

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thats pretty bad-ass!

When Pagan first came to Carlton, all players were in their own comfort zone and they wasn’t going to change their style of game they were used to, as I’m sure they felt in the end the Coach will go before the players will, this is why Pagan had to have a quick solution plus there wasn’t much young talent left in that draft anyway.

[quote="Pafloyul"]Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the pro retread mentality died with the arrival of Mark Murphy.

God, is Blue Vain the only champion of forward thinking (apart from ‘yours truly’ ) on this board? For those who think that the retread route was a necessary evil, let me first commend you for at least acknowledging that it was, indeed, evil. However, let’s just assume, for the moment, that you have a good point. Given that, haven’t you blokes heard of the word subtle? This is not a Pro-Pagan/Anti-Pagan argument. The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€

It’s very easy for everyone to criticize afterwards, but at that time almost everyone was exited about the new playing list and I bet just about all of us thought that we were going to finish in the eight, I guess hindsight is a marvelous thing.

Was their genuine excitement here whan Longmuir or Chambers were recruited?
I dont believe so. From memory I descibed Longmuir as a poor mans Russell Robertson.
We should have gambled on kids.

Perhaps you were excited but it doesnt mean the rest of us were.
Hindsight is a marvellous thing but hindsight is just plain frustrating when you already had the foresight.

Lets not forget we were a presidential intervention away from having Gardiner on our injury list and Zantuck on our list!

Next.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

No wonder we got rid of him

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Regardless how Cloke will turn out for us in the long term and I’m exited the way he's turning out so far but I still think it was disgraceful the way Zantuck was treated, it is a pity they did not allow for both players to be picked up, as we could have done with both of them.

It’s good to have an exiting young list but you must have some vigor in the side to protect these young kids as well.

Disgraceful?

If you want to feel sorry for someone, try Luke Livingston who gave everything to play AFL footy and busted his butt to help the community. Or Sean O'Keefe who lived footy and would have given his right arm to be retained on Carltons list.

Ty Zantuck was given 2 opportunities to play AFL football and blew them both.
He couldnt show the commitment or discipline required.

Sorry Bluekettle. I'd rather feel for the hundreds of kids who hope to get drafted every year but dont even get a look in.
Ty Zantuck had his chances and didnt want it enough.

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But the point was that Carlton has promised him that he was going to be picked up and then at the last moment they done a turn around, at least that’s how I understood it, otherwise just like you have said stiff cheddar.

Carlton didnt make the promises Pagan did.
He wanted Zantuck.
He wanted Gardiner
He wanted Knobel.
He wanted Spriggs...


He has an addiction to rubbish.
"Are you a good judge??"

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I agree on everyting you've wrote here BlueVain except this myth about Livo being some sort of model footballer.

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You wanted Knobel as well.

There are some interesting posts over on TBV where you are comparing Ackland and Knobel as well.

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I think we all are guilty of wanting Knobel at the time (well any ruckman that was over 200cm) when we had a rucking division of Merrington and Prendergast - both at 192cm.

But thank god we got Eddie Betts - may only be 170cm tall - but will make more of an impact on AFL competition than Knobel will methinks.

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[quote="Pafloyul"]Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the pro retread mentality died with the arrival of Mark Murphy.

God, is Blue Vain the only champion of forward thinking (apart from ‘yours truly’ ) on this board? For those who think that the retread route was a necessary evil, let me first commend you for at least acknowledging that it was, indeed, evil. However, let’s just assume, for the moment, that you have a good point. Given that, haven’t you blokes heard of the word subtle? This is not a Pro-Pagan/Anti-Pagan argument. The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€

Don't know if you saw it, but he got a hit out last week too.

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..oh and Eddie Betts for his dominance in the rucking contests, yeah theyre my favourite players!


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[quote="SparkyBlue"][quote="Pafloyul"]Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the pro retread mentality died with the arrival of Mark Murphy.

God, is Blue Vain the only champion of forward thinking (apart from ‘yours truly’ ) on this board? For those who think that the retread route was a necessary evil, let me first commend you for at least acknowledging that it was, indeed, evil. However, let’s just assume, for the moment, that you have a good point. Given that, haven’t you blokes heard of the word subtle? This is not a Pro-Pagan/Anti-Pagan argument. The fact is; we could have put ourselves in “tread water to save the clubâ€