True, Waiteys disposal can be iffy at time, but its more than made up for by his superior marking and run and carry out of the backline. How long since we've had opposition forwards play defensively on our backmen like I think tthe Roos did last week.

Blue Vain,

there's nothing to get over from my side...I'm seeking to understand your public post. I couldn't give a rats about your style of rebuttle...irrelevant.

I still stand exactly where I was before.... how do you come to the conclusion that the backline is more stable with Hartlett in it (who only played 30 minutes of senior footy) in place of Waite?

Have a read of your post...you're the one making the statements...I'm just trying to work it out. So spare me.

And I reckon you do care what people think of your comments, that's why you are telling me to get on my bike.

It's not a strong argument...and if you don't like me pointing that out...just say "I don't like you pointing it out and let it go", instead of "get over it". What? My leg?

Yeah OK...Waite has shown some erratic kicking at times, and yes he makes some poor decisions at times....but flower he's a goer and he's given us a spring in our step and an attack we haven't seen for a loooonnnggg time..bloody long time.

So things are turning around, and things are going our way, and the kids are maturing, and you want to have a dig.....you obviously don't like Waite...just say so!



Well you may as well, given you've seen 30 minutes of him, and now he's the answer to our problems/ instability; I thought as many others have, Waite has well and truly answered that problem....oh but you don't care about that...there must be some substance to that consensus.

Hartlett still has to earn the spot. You want to give it to him...based on 30 minutes.



OK that's your opinion. If you don't like to explain your opinion when someone finds things illogical and wants an explanation in order to find out where you are coming from (given theres usually substance in your comments)...sorry. And...Good for you.

You win...now you can take your bat and ball ....and feel like a real winner

Sorry I entered your space man.

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My mail was that JK wouldnt play .....

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i'd be happy to rest josh .. let hartlett do the job

Did you have a bad day Bondi?

This was my post



Nowhere have I said Hartlett will be the answer to our problems.
I just believe in a very short time, he will be a better backman than Waite. He has experience in lower levels as a key backman. His skills are better in my opinion and whilst he doesnt possess the brilliance that Waite sometimes displays, he is inclined to make better decisions.
But as I said, its just my opinion.


If you want to debate the point with me Bondi, extend me the courtesy of debating my points, instead of ones you've put in my mouth.

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kiss and make up boys

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Blue Vain wrote



Oh... now I understand. Time will tell. I do think Waite is very good for us atm and in the future; he'll do more damage to the opposition than they will to him. He covers and makes a lot of ground; I guess you could say an athleteic first type rather than a footballer.

Nevertheless of what is said of him he has the make up to be a modern day footballer. It's the pace of the game today that causes most clangers and people over scrutinising makes it easy to have pot shots. it's not a pedestrian game anymore. People forget that Judd, Buckley, Goodwin, Hayes...they are all going to make clangers in a game; yhe pace today makes it happen.

I'm so glad we've got Jarred on our side.



Maybe I did, but I didn't notice it.

Gotta go to the airport now. They make me nervous.

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Planes are worse.. some say.

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Unfortunately Adam's experiences as a key backman in lower levels have been spectacularly unsuccessful.

When he hasn't been injured he has lined up at FB or CHB in numerous VFL and VFL reserves games during the past 2 years - most of which I have seen - and he has generally been dragged before half time because he has been unable to mind even the moderate talent that he has been opposed to and/or has given away stupid free kicks that even Waite would not give away.

By comparison Harts leads strongly, plays the ball and throws his weight around as a CHF should.

Yes Waite makes some dumb decisions and commits some travesties when trying to pass the ball to a teammate but, in his limited exposure to CHB he has shown a hell of a lot more aptitude to the position than Harts. In particular, Waitey has the confidence, judgement and mobility to back himself to win the ball - abilities that Harts has not displayed in defence.

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Kecka just backed us on Sunrise, despite the Lions being short-priced favourite, according to him .. but Sportsbet has us at $1.80 and then at $2.03! How is that short-priced favourite?!

Here's the spread at the time of writing
Head To Head Line Line (Ev) 1-39 40+
Carlton 1.80 1.91 (-3.5) 2.00 (-6.5) 2.40 5.50
Brisbane 2.03 1.91 (+3.5) 2.00 (-0.5) 2.60 6.50
Draw 67.00

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(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

On Centrebet head-to-head:

Carlton - $1.82
Brisbane - $2.00


All other bets pretty much equal for either team...

Under 39.5 - $2.40
Over 39.5 - $6.50

Under 24.5 - $3.50
Over 24.5 - $3.50

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I disagree. Hartlett looks a lot more comfortable in defence to me. He seems very reactive up forward and seems to get lost for long periods.
As for his experiences at lower levels being "spectacularly unsuccessful", from memory he was selected at Full Back for SA in the national championships.
They must have seen something in him.

I too have seen him play many times over the past couple of years but everyone sees it differently.
Time will tell.

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Interesting article on afldotcomdotau about six of the best from the Lions & the Blues. Interesting because Hughes calls Walker a second tier player.

Bollocks to that!

Actually HTP, I think Hughes is using the wrong term. I think he is talking about MUrph Gibbs and Setanta as new players stepping up. I think his use of second tier is really to indicate more experienced players (40-60 games) who are continuing to improve. He names Eddie Beets and Waite with AW as second tier. I read it as 'next level of experience' but still on big improvement curve.

Finally someone said it!

The last few weeks have proved we have moved past needing him and his average skills in the team. Edwards has stepped up in the 2s and attracts as a better option for the HFF role.

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See the article about him on Inside Football, wondering if he will be the first victim as AFL speed has increased in years that will finish players,they also listed Anthony Rocca also in the article,be interesting to see how they can adapt to it.

Just slapped $50 large on carlton 39.5pts and over... paying $7 ..... very happy


And put $20 on 1AW for the tuck medal....Paying $35....


Hope we flog em and walks plays a pearla

Waite is still work in progress at CHB...Lucas started well on him and could have kicked a few goals but didnt.
He can be loose and his disposal poor but we dont have many alternatives and I think Pagan views Waite being able to supply drive similar to Chad Cornes does and wearing some of Waites poor kicks and loose play.

John Brown is a step up from Lucas and will be a real test..I would prefer Setanta on Brown as i feel he is better able to deal with more robust players.

Hartlett doesnt have a position which isnt helping him...he debuted well and took some good marks but I'm not sure he has the smarts to play down back.
Looked more of a natural forward and I thought he gave us another target...I hope he gets a good run as he impressed me with his mobility and kicking.

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Has the game sped up that much over the off season because he seemed to handle himself okay last year and the one before that. Fact is, the expeerts have been saying the game has 'passed him by' for 4 years. Every year he proves them wrong.

Modern football needs;
Smarts
Speed
Strength
Balance
Awareness
Ability

Lance ticks all boxes bar one, and I think we're all aware of what that is

We will always need a Whitnall type, a natural footballer rather than the team filled with the BS athlete.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!
I am a Wiggins fan and would love to see him play as I reckon he offers a hard body around the packs. His delivery to players at about 40 metres is better than Walker's for example (I am not suggesting he replace Walker, by the way) and he is young. He has been around the club playing off and on since he was 17 so seems a bit older. I would have him in the team instead of Jackson, who can't play during the regular season anyway.

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