I'm glad someone else noticed.4 pinpoint passes to Fevola in the 2nd quarter for 3 goals and 1 butchered!

Suprise,suprise our expert Nine commentators chose to ignore it.Not one of them noticed who had delivered the perfect passes nor the regularity!

I trekked all the way from NY to watch such an insipid performance. The players heads dropped far too quickly in the first qtr and all roads to goal lead through Fevola, which isn't healthy! Playing Lance down back is robbing Peter to pay Paul. You take a potentially dangerous forward and turn him into a so-so backman. It does not make sense IMHO. The positive for me was that Waite showed he really could be anything. Love his athleticism and growing goal sense. Also liked Eddie Betts. Even though he missed a couple of kickable goals, his defensive pressure in the forward line is outstanding and he plays a lone hand in that regard. A forward line with Waite, Fevola, Whitnall and Betts should create some difficulties for opposing teams. I hope that's the set up moving forward. It was heartbreaking to watch the ship sink like that with no hope of rescue. Sorry not many positives to take out of the game.

Better than last week but still need a lot of corrective surgery- Geelong much better than richmond and could end up in top 2
Positives FEVOLA 10 scoring shots from a team that was ordinary
Houlihan at least hit targets and does something with the ball
Waite continues to develop as a footballer
Thorton killed kingsley and is very good and one of the reasons we didnt get beaten by 100 points
Wiggins the only one that could get near ablett and is courageous and is giving 110 %- helps his other defenders out - tries to be creative - I know why the coach likes him because he would run through a brick wall for the club others wouldnt
Thought kouta and campo were good in patches
Room for improvement
KICKING FOR GOAL -Bloody hell is there any other side in the league that so regularly doesnt take its chances
Stop giving the ball back with errant kicks - pagan talked about butchering the ball - we truly assasinated ourselves
Kicking out we failed to get it out continually
Man up - be accountable
WE DESPARATELY need more talent - as suggested through this week we need to give everyone on the list a turn - even if possible our rookies
I dont think we need to worry about tanking cant see how we wont be looking for early draft picks at the end of the year -just not good enough
Have to look at all our players to determine who we take forward into 2006 - some have gone backwards on last year
Better fire up next week the old boy PP deserves a good send off - not dispirited crap of the last 2 weeks

If we end up with 5.5 wins do we get a priority pick? Or do we need 5?
I know its very defeatist and a long way off but we havent played St.K, WC, Mel or Ade (away) yet so we could be in trouble. Weve won 2 games this season with massive comebacks. We seem to play one quarter a week and couldve easily been 0-8 right now. If you gave me the choice now I wouldnt want a 4.5 win season but if we dont win in the next couple of weeks, i reckon we'll look for the priority pick.

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We might even win 5 1/2 games or even 6 1/2... might win 7 1/2 but at the end of the day wed be costing ourselves and shooting ourselves in the foot.
We desperately need a priority pick and 3 players in the top 3 and a top quality player in the psd.


* i meant 2 players in the top 6 but i was getting greedy...

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Agreed. This next draft will shape our future. Lets do a Hawthorn and Richmond and trade for as many first/second rounders as possible. If that means trade Fev, Whitnall and Camporeale then so be it.

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Got no problem with trading Camporeale, Whitnall etc., even Koutoufides (if anyone wants him) if it gets us 1st and 2nd round picks.

Whitnall especially; Camporeale I can live with because we need some sort of midfield.

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You've gotta be kidding, Elwood.

Teague's field kicking was atrocious and he had plenty of mates. Whilst I thought he battled hard, his game overall was NOT a positive, IMHO.

I thought Simpson was good and for the last two games is showing promise.

Thought Fev was great, just needs to do this every week.

Kouta battled hard, Houlihan was good in patches, as was Campo, Wiggins, Stevens, and Bentick.

Must persist with the youngin's, eg Simpson, Walker, Bentick, Betts, et al

DeLuca needs a spell in the Magoos - way outta form.

I am constantly amazed by the folk of this forum as they dissect every game and pluck out random pieces from a game and call them 'positives'. The things that seemingly get highlighted here are the things that all players are expected to do week in week out.

I fail to see how the captain of the club 'battling hard' can be called a 'positive', this is something that is written in his job description under the heading 'Leadership'. I also fail to see how Simon Wiggins hitting a player on the chest with a pass is a 'positive', surely this is considered a mandatory skill for all players.

I apologise for sounding rather condescending but this stuff is sheer nonsense. If you really want to be looking for positives out of a game, then it should be the overall development of the very young players we have on our list as they are the real future of the club. To single out veterans and/or seasoned players for doing what they have been practising at training for the past 5-7 years seems rather odd to me.



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BBB that's the purpose of this thread. To try to look for any positive that can be found-even when there aren't many. Use other threads for negatives etc- there were plenty of those!

Gotta agree with BBB - good post big brahman.

Positives - mmm - i like Bentick in the side. He has the capabilities to be a top notcher. I also like McGrath and his kicking is superior to most in the team. He should be a regular.

We were missing six players from the Wizard Cup final... so technically we were playing without some of our best players.

Playing youngsters like Bentick is a huge positive.
You know the Hawks did thrash the Bombers by about 140 points in 92 and then the Bombers did win the flag (although they did so dubiously thanks to Wallis) the following year..

We can at least be competitive... hopefully... please.. .pretty please.

On 5 1/2 games we'd still qualify for the priority pick. There could be an upside still, for not getting over the line against Port Adelaide.

Haven't seen the game yet. But from the 30 second grab I saw, and from listening to the last half on the radio, it's good to see some of our players trying to run with the ball and create something. Well done, Wiggo and Walker.

BBB - the positives thread is a TBV / TC ritual. In times of disappointment we must allow ourselves to the upside in anything. I can't expect you to understand it given you're a CSCer.

ps the way some people watch the games, 1 effective stat is sometimes a positive!

I understand your logic there Blueworld but this is where we differ. Looking for supposed 'positives' that would normally be considered standard operating procedures at any other club is just not accepting the reality of the situation. By doing it this way, you artificially inflate the talent level of the players when it is clearly unwarranted.

After a damaging loss like yesterday, the 'positive-finders' are left scratching their heads wondering why it all went wrong when the thud back to earth would be a lot softer if a more realistic approach was taken in the first place. 'Head in the sand', 'gildng the lily' and 'camouflaging the truth' are all phrases that readily come to mind whenever I read one of these 'positives' threads.

I have no problems with people sticking with the club through thick & thin but blind loyalty is a recipe for disaster. If people want to keep amping up the ability and skill levels of every player that represents the club even when we are clearly well off the pace then they are either 'Carlton tragics'or worse still, have very little concept of what is required to go all the way to the top.

I'm really interested to know what happens when we actually do have the players capable of challenging for a flag, where do you go with your 'positives' spin then ??


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I started the positives posts after a game during the dark period of 2002-2003 irrespective of whether we won or lost as a reaction to everyone who got on the other forum simply saying the players are sh-- and arent trying
Last night wasnt good but there were still positives
Our ff who let us down two weeks ago redeemed himself and whilst he should of kicked 7 goals three kicked 5 goals 5.
On a night where no one hit a target ryan houlihan continued to hit targets both with left and right foot and tried to be creative
THERE ARE ALWAYS POSITIVES but not many last night

BBB if you don't like this thread don't read it and if you don't have anything positive to say don't post in it. There were positives last night (Fev, Houla etc). Hopefully there will always be some positives to be found, no matter how many negatives there are. Some people just want to look at all the negatives and ignore any good things. For that we have many other threads.

And thanks frank for starting this. Always look forward to reading this when things look bad.

positives:

I was pissed last night and didn't see the match

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-positives-

Fevola's form. Excluding the no-chasing moments in the third and last quarters (that Mark Stevens article today in the HUN failed to mention in his Fev praising) he was outstanding on the lead with his sure hands. He really dominated the game in the second term.

Kade Simpson. Finally, FINALLY he is getting game time. And I think he did quite well last night. Not quite sure who his oponent was. His pace and kicking is top notch, and I think that his attack on the footy is getting better by the week. I think this kid will be something.

Eddie Betts was probably unlucky not to pinch a couple of goals. His defensive pressure was great. Will definately be in the side next week.

Kouta tried hard in the midfield all day, probably let down by a lack of support.

Barnaby French held down ruck again.. God knows where we'd be without him.

And Teague was his usual, brilliant courageous self.


-negatives-

Garry Lyon and Dennis Commetti's @#$%&! comments about Walker!? Commetti - Saying how he dropped off the pace after his amazing first game, comparing him to Billy Ray Cyrus.. He's fricking 18 years old, in his second season of afl! God those comments made me so angry!

That loss was more heartbreaking than last week for me. Those late goals in the second and third terms were backbreaking. Not to mention the goalless first quarter. Over the past few years we've been notorious for slow starts, but I really thought that we'd come out breathing fire.

Scotland's game. I think we all know that his defensive side is probably his weakest.. So I was scratching my head a bit about his matchup on Ablett. He needed to be contained, not forced to have a shootout with a midfielder.

As Dermott remarked, Lance not being able to run with King when he lead was disappointing. In the Wiz Cup, I thought he was back. Now..?

Camporeale, whilst admittedly injured, had no penetration with his kicking and running.

And, last of all, Matty Lappin's game. For mine, he is a star. All class. However, this year he's been off in his usual gilt-edged performances. Especially the last couple of games. And it seems to have occurred coinciding with his move up forward. I guess not having Fev to feed off makes it harder.. And i'm sure he'll bounce back with a smashing performance soon.

Just my 2c.