Whitnall vs Stevens

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

To be fair of Marc, he needs at least a season, perhaps two seasons before he will be fully ready to become captain of Carlton.

Car17on · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:06 pm

Warby wrote:

Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23 ... And played in a Glenelg Premiership in 1986....(his ambition) before agreeing to come over to Carlton where he was appointed Captain of the Carlton side that won the Premiership in his first year as Captain....1987.

Ahh .. so no parallels then

I still say stay with Lance until he retires / resigns Ã¡ la Kouta, and then have another look at it .. someone else may step up (4BG for example) to fill the shoes.

Warby · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:06 pm

p(12)terg wrote:

BlueWorld wrote:

Sticks was interviewed just before the announcement and said Murphy was not even in contention.

That's fair enough, too - this is only his second season, and he's not even 20 yet. You can't put the responsibility of club captain on such young shoulders .. let him develop more (and ohh, what development) so he can be a great player as well as a memorable captain

Warby wrote:

Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23.

So did they recruit him as Captain or recruit him and then make him captain after a year or two?

p(12)terg......have a look at this entry in my Scrapbook that's being rested until season's end.....scroll down the page there to see the Kernahan entry...... http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... c&start=60

Car17on · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:13 pm

Beautiful, Warbs .. explains everything! Nice tribute, too!

SHAGFAN · **Joined:** Sat May 14, 2005 6:49 pm **Posts:** 28

Mark H wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

The new board are absolutely watertight at the moment (good for the club, bad for me

) but one piece of info I did get was that the board were EXCRUCIATINGLY close to making Murph skipper this season..

Dont expect Lance to be our leader for too much longer...

Josh, with the greatest of respect, because you have previously posted stuff with some accuracy - your info on the captaincy is way off the mark.

Ouch!

You got served kappy... :wink:

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:00 pm

Stop being reactive.

Don't change a thing; don't change the team, the captain, or the tactics.

We've got a winning formula.

Lance hasn't had to do much because they midfield have been by-passing him by circumstance of the play and not intentionally.

The big forwards have kept things pretty open as well as providing choice in avenue moving forward; whether that's Lance, Kennedy or the Fish. Even when Waite was forward in the 4th...same thing...Kangas were tower focussed and our little guys carved through them towads FEVOLA.

This week we were even more unpredictable in that we didn't have our ruckmen floating down forward.

Don't change a winning formula, and give the guys not in the winning squad a reason to step up and pressure for a spot by their performance in the 2nds; maybe Kennedy as the exception.

I like it just the way it is. :-D

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:00 pm

Anyone interested in my 2cents worth on this topic???????

jimmae · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:09 pm

Synbad wrote:

Anyone interested in my 2cents worth on this topic???????

I can't answer that question in a manner which ceases you from entering into a tirade, can I?

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:26 pm

jimmae wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Anyone interested in my 2cents worth on this topic???????

I can't answer that question in a manner which ceases you from entering into a tirade, can I?

I cant help myself.
I hate seeing a guy playing in the most elite sporting competition in Australia who cant raise a gallop.
Especially when he is representing Carlton...

Lets face it.. if Lance played for any other club wed be laughing at him .. same as every supporter from every other club laughs at him now.

Its a cut throat industry ... We want our club to be the best.... simple as that!...

Maybe darts is more his go... but fair dinkum whether im harsh or not... it doesnt matter.. cos its up to Lance to get himself supremely fit to play the game... if he cant no matter what the reason is... its not up to us to make excuses up for him...

all we want is a premiership.. and allow the players that work hard to be rewarded...

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Synbad wrote:

Anyone interested in my 2cents worth on this topic???????

If you gave 2 cents for every time you've expressed your opinion on this topic you'd be up for about $10,000!

JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2187

Quote:

Josh, with the greatest of respect, because you have previously posted stuff with some accuracy - your info on the captaincy is way off the mark.

OK Mark... But I wont tell you who told me otherwise :shock:

nytdog · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:51 am

Synbad... are you sure you're not Lance's brother???

You're living in a fantasy world. You act as if Lance is a cripple that can't run at all. Yes he isn't fast, but he knows how to play the game better than 90% of the players running around in the AFL, which more than compensates for his lack of pace. You need to open your mind mate and take a more holistic look at the world. You are focussed too much on one attribute.

What's your evidence that other supporters laugh at him (or us)?
What's your evidence that he is not trying to get himself fit or that he is overweight?
You love to throw out generalisations and judgements and subjective opinions as if they are facts.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

BlueWorld wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Anyone interested in my 2cents worth on this topic???????

If you gave 2 cents for every time you've expressed your opinion on this topic you'd be up for about $10,000!

FOR CHRISTS SAKES NO-ONE MENTION HOULIHAN!!!!!!

tommi · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:11 am

Played well..............!

kindest regards tommi

koutahootarootafides · **Joined:** Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:58 am **Posts:** 315

It is starting to look like a bad decision to have him as captain. He is either not offering an opinion, not being asked for an opinion (worse), or hiding (being hidden by the club) from the media due to his other personal issues.

I hope it is him being hidden from the media, as the other scenarios are not ideal.

I also think his games are being effected by the latter which is disappointing for the club - thankfully we are winning, else there would be more bad press I think.

I know it's early, but I dont think there's anything which we can do (i.e. changing captain) without inviting more negativity/criticism of the club for at least the season.

George Harris · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:19 pm

koutahootarootafides wrote:

It is starting to look like a bad decision to have him as captain. He is either not offering an opinion, not being asked for an opinion (worse), or hiding (being hidden by the club) from the media due to his other personal issues.

The fact his public speaking skills are so second rate doesn't help either. At least Nick Stevens can string two sentences together.

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:33 pm

Sounds like the Ox has been reading Synbad's posts :wink:

bigyellowjoint · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:26 pm

Previously would have gone with Whitnall in a flash, but as soon as their second real intra practice match and the Essendon* game, I would think even the men behind Carlton would be unsure whether they made the right decision.

Let's say Whitnall has a bad year (please don't let this be true) to the point he forces the hand of Denis and is dropped a few times. What then? Do you keep a player on decline as captain or do you bite the bullet and give it either to Stevens or Murphy? Just imagine if we had give the captaincy to Teague (at the time he was a popular choice and probably third behind Kouta and Stevens/Whitnall)?

Anyway this is all heresay and I doubt Whitnall will be this bad come the meaningful games. He will have a good two years at the helm, maybe lead us to the Finals next year and everybody will be happy.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:56 am

Warby wrote:

Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23.

And played in a Glenelg Premiership in 1986....(his ambition) before agreeing to come over to Carlton where he was appointed Captain of the Carlton side that won the Premiership in his first year as Captain....1987.

Warbs, that's unlike you. Kernahan moved to Carlton after the 1985 season, along with the fabled Bradley and Motley. They played at Carlton in 1986 under Mark Maclure. Remember, Motts was one of our shining lights in the 86 GF loss to the Hawks. Sticks was made captain in his second year at Carlton, 1987.

true_blue3 · **Joined:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm **Posts:** 6836

camelboy wrote:

Warby wrote:

Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23.

And played in a Glenelg Premiership in 1986....(his ambition) before agreeing to come over to Carlton where he was appointed Captain of the Carlton side that won the Premiership in his first year as Captain....1987.

Warbs, that's unlike you. Kernahan moved to Carlton after the 1985 season, along with the fabled Bradley and Motley. They played at Carlton in 1986 under Mark Maclure. Remember, Motts was one of our shining lights in the 86 GF loss to the Hawks. Sticks was made captain in his second year at Carlton, 1987.

i think warbs meant first year as captain...not player.

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