Eddie said most of that article was b.s. The club is still carrying on negotiations with him. Denies Collingwood have spoken to him. Thinks someone fed that to Caro to try to rev him up.

I'd take Caro's word over Eddie's every day of the week.

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id take the word of the person who told me over caros and eddies anytime of the week...

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ryan,

i don't wanna buy into the jezza v fev thing.

saw jezza at this peak (i was a kid of course) and am hoping to see fev at his peak.

if you can, get you hands on a video called "the sensational 70s". have a look at the highlights of 1970. you'll see jezza take a mark under the scoreboard at PP against richmond that you wont believe. a bit like ablett's mark against collingwood, but BETTER cos the pack was bigger and he actually held it!

fev, at this stage, has not shown that ability to judge pack marks like jezza. fev, again to this stage, has shown himself to be a traditional lead, mark and kick for goal FF a la peter mckenna. nothing wrong with that, mckenna was a goal kicking machine, but a one position player.

if you want some idea of jezza, he could play below his knees like daicos while being able to mark like ablett. he was under 6 ft, yet kicked 100 goals (115). he finished 3rd in the brownlow 3 times playing in 3 different positions (HF, FF, HB). in 72 he played in the centre and went into the brownlow a favourite along with KB, lethal and an Essendon* player named neville fields. all four polled under expectations. but when nick restructured the side for the 72 GF, jezza went back to FF and kicked 7.

he made the game look so easy. he had incredible athlecticism and pace, together with those cat like reflexes and balance.

one thing about his supposed laziness, he badly hurt his back in 73 and played in a brace for a couple of years. his back injury robbed him of his leap and turned him into a mere mortal.

ok, he was my boyhood hero ... but he WAS special!

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to compare Fev to Jezza is to compare Scotland to Judd. Jezza was without a doubt one of the best EVER. Fev is not in the same ball park.

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This would be something I heard about Brent Crosswell but never about Jezza.

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Crosswell was an absolute gun too... another that could have played today easily.

Why dont we get some genetic engineers to the club and start a genetic cross pollinating project?

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Jezza lazy. someone is a flower! Kicks 115 in a season as a short 6 footer - yeah real lazy!

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Something I found interesting looking back on Jezza's career was that he won a B&F playing off of a half back flank.

Correct?

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3rd in teh brownlow that year of a hb flank (maxy will ccorrect me if i am wrong0 but here was a high flying super forward with cat like reflexes who found that age (and big pricks that kept crashing into his back) caught up with him so he truned hismelf into a brilliant attacking HBflanker who tackled better than anyone i have ever seen. When jezza wrapped his arms around you that was it. You did not escape.

And everyone at P.P. would yell

BALL!!!!!!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Reading his interview in Inside Football, he also wondered why he hadn't played down back earlier because it was much easier.

Crosswell actually had a child out of wedlock that Melbourne claimed under the Father/Son rule in the late 80s, Tom Kavanagh he played a handful of games (2 for Melbourne and then went to Fitzroy).

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That wasnt his fault it had to be the chicks fault .

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OK, i'm really not so much comparing Fev to Jezza.............and trust me i've seen plenty of games of Jezza'a (abliet - on video and not live). More so, i am trying to A) Compare the similarities between the two. B) proove that Fev has all the potential within him to be 'This Generations' Jezza. and C) show that he is worthy enough to wear the number 25.

But it's kinda hard when we are in a posistion such as we are now. Surley if we trade him.........the club can profit big time and will help us as we go into the future. But in doing so we are possibly giving up a player that could go down in history as one of the great of this proud club.

What, she told him she had her IUD in.

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On the right track there PJ. One thing I have always said about Jezza ( and about a couple of other great players from other clubs, Blight, Mathews etc) is that one test of how great is the player is how they were able to adapt their game to the change in their body as they got older. Some great players were fast, agile and high leapers when they were young but went on to still be great players when their body could not sustain the high leap and they had lost some pace. The greats adapted, they used body strength and ability to read the play as their forte to replace some of the physical attributes that age slows down. That is why I rate Jezza. I also put players like Leigh Mathews, Malcolm Blight etc in this category.

Players who did not meet the criteria are some 'one trick ponies" who could not sustain their contribution to their team when they slowed down a bit or lost their leap. I think this is why players like G Cornes did not make the big time in Melbourne as they left it too late to leave SA and had lost their leap or other attributes and could not adapt sufficiently to make up for the lack of leap or pace etc.

The true champions in my eyes are the ones who endure. Who could dazzle with their speed, leap etc when young and then later in their careers could adapt and use body strength, reading of the game, guile, finesse etc to still be champion contributors to the game.

To some extent Kouta is demonstrating this now. He appears to have lost the athleticism that saw him as one of the elite players of the comp. That allowed him to dominate as a key position back or forward. He is now less likely to take a heap of screamers above a pack, but he has emerged as the hard ball get king of the comp. I admire Kouta - wouldn't rank him with the greats listed earlier yet but still acknowledge that he has those qualities that sets the Jezza's apart from mere mortals.

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Couldnt agree more - I dont think Kouta will ever be considered a great outside of the club (most would consider him behind hird, voss, buckley) - shame really, were it not for the knees I think he would be right up there.

I think Kouta will be remembered and refered to as one of the greats by the people that matter. Maybe not so much by the general public, but certainly by coaches, football staff, media ect,ect,ect.

A pretty good article on Fev from the Hun:
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html

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