And you know what else?

This decision makes us look incredibly stupid.

For the past few years, we've looked to off load Lance at every trade period and haven't had any luck.

He has one good first half season, dies in the arse in the second half, wins the B+F and so the club decide to appoint him captain on the back of one good season.

We can all get a bit excited on here at times...

The move to create an eleven person leadership group by the Club is unusual. But then again, our position is unusual too. We have a very small group of senior players, and arguably none of them have showed the skills necessary to be captain. We have a moderate group of middle aged players, and once again none of them have demanded the captaincy. Obviously our young players also need more skills and experience in order to lead the Club.

So, I don't see how it can hurt to throw together a bunch of guys from all of these groups and bestow leadership upon them. You never really know how good someone is until they have to lead the side. Look at Riewoldt... people thought he was a superstar, and then he had that dreadful year as captain. Being in the leadership group gives us a chance to see who thrives under the pressure, and who goes missing. So many questions:

will this turn Waite into a higher achieving footballer?
will this be the confidence boost Wiggins needs to become a permanenet member of the team?
will this make Scotland pull his head in and settle down?
will it give Kouta that extra motivation to get himself ready for his last season of football?
will this allow Gibbs and Murphy to grow in esteem as players of the Carlton football club?
from a mercenary position - will it make Gibbs more immune to approaches from the Crows in two years?

If another Club had have done this we would have applauded them. Instead, we sit back and start whining about lack of decision-making and too many egges in one basket, etc. Somewhere along the line many of us on here have lost our pride in the CFC - the pride that comes from knowing we do things best. Why should we look to Collingwood and Essendon* or the Crows for models? Why not create something for ourselves? The approach may not work - but is it worth trying? I think in the circumstances in which we find ourselves the answer is a definite yes!

Strange days, indeed...

We don't have enough depth to find an obvious captain...

yet, we have more vice captains or leaders than anybody else in the league...

Makes you wonder how the other six players who missed out on the list feel!!

Well then why does it have to be Gibbs and not say Grigg or Hampson?

We can all get a bit excited on here at times...

The move to create an eleven person leadership group by the Club is unusual. But then again, our position is unusual too. We have a very small group of senior players, and arguably none of them have showed the skills necessary to be captain. We have a moderate group of middle aged players, and once again none of them have demanded the captaincy. Obviously our young players also need more skills and experience in order to lead the Club.

So, I don't see how it can hurt to throw together a bunch of guys from all of these groups and bestow leadership upon them. You never really know how good someone is until they have to lead the side. Look at Riewoldt... people thought he was a superstar, and then he had that dreadful year as captain. Being in the leadership group gives us a chance to see who thrives under the pressure, and who goes missing. So many questions:

will this turn Waite into a higher achieving footballer?
will this be the confidence boost Wiggins needs to become a permanenet member of the team?
will this make Scotland pull his head in and settle down?
will it give Kouta that extra motivation to get himself ready for his last season of football?
will this allow Gibbs and Murphy to grow in esteem as players of the Carlton football club?
from a mercenary position - will it make Gibbs more immune to approaches from the Crows in two years?

If another Club had have done this we would have applauded them. Instead, we sit back and start whining about lack of decision-making and too many egges in one basket, etc. Somewhere along the line many of us on here have lost our pride in the CFC - the pride that comes from knowing we do things best. Why should we look to Collingwood and Essendon* or the Crows for models? Why not create something for ourselves? The approach may not work - but is it worth trying? I think in the circumstances in which we find ourselves the answer is a definite yes!

Not sure personally how having Murphy and Simpson and certainly Gibbs are good choices. Gibbs hasn't played a game yet, in my opinion the move is ridiculous, I don't care how or who he captained in the u18s. Why don't we just put Grigg, Hampson etc and then next year's first pick into our leadership group? We are just being stupid with some of these decisions. Murphy too I would argue is a very premature decision, yes he admittedly does seem to exhibit leadership qualities but at the end of the day the kid has played 12 full games of AFL footy. I am convinced that we are making these decisions simply as part of an effort to promote a "new", "young" Carlton and to appease some supporters. Someone like Thornton who at least has been there for a while now definitely deserves it more than Murphy and Gibbs in my opinion...

If another Club had have done this we would have applauded them. Instead, we sit back and start whining about lack of decision-making and too many egges in one basket, etc. Somewhere along the line many of us on here have lost our pride in the CFC - the pride that comes from knowing we do things best. Why should we look to Collingwood and Essendon* or the Crows for models? Why not create something for ourselves? The approach may not work - but is it worth trying? I think in the circumstances in which we find ourselves the answer is a definite yes!

Ho does Bret" Fresh start" Thornton deserve it?...was going to cut and run for the money at Hawthorn...
Simpson was doing the job last year on the field, leading from the front....
Gibbs had two years in the leadership group at Glenelg and Murphy was an excellent leader at U18 level...

yeah... Walker was gibbed

although maybe he didn't want it... preferring to concentrate on his own form?????

*paging DOA*

All in all I find this whole ‘leadership’ saga baffling.

How can a poor media performer who has constant issues with fitness be the face & the consistant inspiration for the playing group?
Rediculous.

How can a player who only months ago wanted out to play for another club be classed as a leader?
Rediculous.

How can a player who has numerously brought the club into disrepute through the media & reportedly is on his last chance be classed as a leader?
Rediculous.

Happy for the others but the main people behind these decisions, being Pagan & Kernahan, really do continue to baffle me.

Does any here know how the selection process actually works for the leadership group?

Only answer if you know for sure - not interested in guess work - there's 15 pages of it here!

Do players put their hand up? Do the players select the group or is it done by a match committee or coach or board? Anyone? Anyone?

Anyone here actually know a player as a mate to ask?

What we really need is a blues insider to come along and answer the question for us.