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So Synbad, Do you know when they will start talks again?


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I remember the interview with Fev and Waite after they resigned in 2003. When Fev was asked "are you happy with your contract" fevs response was "happy for now"......


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the talks will start again when Fev is fair dinkum on the field and his manager is fair dinkum in discussions.
Officials are not expecting troubles holding onto Fev.
however, its all in Fevs court.

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Simple Solution - put him on a perfromance based contract

give hima base of 200 - and then on top of that he gets 5k for every game he plays, 10k for every final and a bonus of 2k every week he kicks more than 4 goals.. or something

then if he is great he'll be rewarded - if not or he gets suspended its his hip pocket that gets hurt

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Jarusa wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Re: BV's point on Camporeale (here we go again...you may think)

But you people can't tell me honestly that we should pay Camporeale 620K...

He's worth 300K no more. He won't get bigger offers from other clubs - I can't see a club being stupid enough to offer him 350/400K at the age of 30. If they did, well, we'd want a decent pick, a first rounder is what we'd want. If we can't, then well, we'll see what loyalty he really has, and if he's willing to screw the club that's provided for him for 11 years.


CC I do not think anyone is arguing that he is currently worth 600K.

That is just common sense. There is nothing we can do about it till the end of the year.

Of course he will be on a much lower contract next year, wherever he is.

What a lot of people get upset about is the rhetoric and vitriol that is directed towards him. Criticism is good, but it goes over the top far too often.

I know you guys are trying to push his price down so that the club can save some money at the end of the year, but it just is relentless and frustrating.


What makes me laugh is that last week Camporeale was on $500,000 this week it went up to $600,000 and now he's on $620,000. He'll soon be on th same as Kouta.


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verbs wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Re: BV's point on Camporeale (here we go again...you may think)

But you people can't tell me honestly that we should pay Camporeale 620K...

He's worth 300K no more. He won't get bigger offers from other clubs - I can't see a club being stupid enough to offer him 350/400K at the age of 30. If they did, well, we'd want a decent pick, a first rounder is what we'd want. If we can't, then well, we'll see what loyalty he really has, and if he's willing to screw the club that's provided for him for 11 years.


CC I do not think anyone is arguing that he is currently worth 600K.

That is just common sense. There is nothing we can do about it till the end of the year.

Of course he will be on a much lower contract next year, wherever he is.

What a lot of people get upset about is the rhetoric and vitriol that is directed towards him. Criticism is good, but it goes over the top far too often.

I know you guys are trying to push his price down so that the club can save some money at the end of the year, but it just is relentless and frustrating.


What makes me laugh is that last week Camporeale was on $500,000 this week it went up to $600,000 and now he's on $620,000. He'll soon be on th same as Kouta.


Verbs , Campo is the next highest player after Kouta and this year he is actually way into the $600ks.. not alittle bit.. way in....
and no he isnt on 500k... Lance isnt even on 500k... hes way into the 500ks .. not alittle bit....way in!!!

Why did you think Knobel was the best we could tackle last year at 125k???? :?

Well its actually shocking!!!! and its hard for me in particular to not worry about what that has done to the clubs chances of moving forward.
Campo is the elite AFL payment block but he is playing like Cupido.

If he put his hand out for that kind of money he has to expect criticism if its been 4 years since his last good year...

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I remember the interview with Fev and Waite after they resigned in 2003. When Fev was asked "are you happy with your contract" fevs response was "happy for now"......


Don't take this personally Bosman, but we really need a sticky thread at least describing the difference between "resigned" and "re-signed".

In this case it was fairly obvious which one you meant but it can be a dangerous mistake to make, especially come trade time.

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Synbad wrote:
verbs wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Re: BV's point on Camporeale (here we go again...you may think)

But you people can't tell me honestly that we should pay Camporeale 620K...

He's worth 300K no more. He won't get bigger offers from other clubs - I can't see a club being stupid enough to offer him 350/400K at the age of 30. If they did, well, we'd want a decent pick, a first rounder is what we'd want. If we can't, then well, we'll see what loyalty he really has, and if he's willing to screw the club that's provided for him for 11 years.


CC I do not think anyone is arguing that he is currently worth 600K.

That is just common sense. There is nothing we can do about it till the end of the year.

Of course he will be on a much lower contract next year, wherever he is.

What a lot of people get upset about is the rhetoric and vitriol that is directed towards him. Criticism is good, but it goes over the top far too often.

I know you guys are trying to push his price down so that the club can save some money at the end of the year, but it just is relentless and frustrating.


What makes me laugh is that last week Camporeale was on $500,000 this week it went up to $600,000 and now he's on $620,000. He'll soon be on th same as Kouta.


Verbs , Campo is the next highest player after Kouta and this year he is actually way into the $600ks.. not alittle bit.. way in....
and no he isnt on 500k... Lance isnt even on 500k... hes way into the 500ks .. not alittle bit....way in!!!

Why did you think Knobel was the best we could tackle last year at 125k???? :?

Well its actually shocking!!!! and its hard for me in particular to not worry about what that has done to the clubs chances of moving forward.
Campo is the elite AFL payment block but he is playing like Cupido.

If he put his hand out for that kind of money he has to expect criticism if its been 4 years since his last good year...


So he was on $800,000+ before the pay cut? :shock:

The inconsistency by posters is baffling...in a way which makes me chuckle every time.


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I think it may have been another back-ended contract verbs.

Not sure what the average income would have been for the life of the contract.

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Tim Webster would agree Deano.

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Jarusa wrote:
I think it may have been another back-ended contract verbs.

Not sure what the average income would have been for the life of the contract.


Quite possibly Jarusa...a smart move by the Club to take advantage of Camporeale being on the veteran list, though we'll never really know for sure about the ins and outs of such contracts.


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verbs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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Jarusa wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Re: BV's point on Camporeale (here we go again...you may think)

But you people can't tell me honestly that we should pay Camporeale 620K...

He's worth 300K no more. He won't get bigger offers from other clubs - I can't see a club being stupid enough to offer him 350/400K at the age of 30. If they did, well, we'd want a decent pick, a first rounder is what we'd want. If we can't, then well, we'll see what loyalty he really has, and if he's willing to screw the club that's provided for him for 11 years.


CC I do not think anyone is arguing that he is currently worth 600K.

That is just common sense. There is nothing we can do about it till the end of the year.

Of course he will be on a much lower contract next year, wherever he is.

What a lot of people get upset about is the rhetoric and vitriol that is directed towards him. Criticism is good, but it goes over the top far too often.

I know you guys are trying to push his price down so that the club can save some money at the end of the year, but it just is relentless and frustrating.


What makes me laugh is that last week Camporeale was on $500,000 this week it went up to $600,000 and now he's on $620,000. He'll soon be on th same as Kouta.


Verbs , Campo is the next highest player after Kouta and this year he is actually way into the $600ks.. not alittle bit.. way in....
and no he isnt on 500k... Lance isnt even on 500k... hes way into the 500ks .. not alittle bit....way in!!!

Why did you think Knobel was the best we could tackle last year at 125k???? :?

Well its actually shocking!!!! and its hard for me in particular to not worry about what that has done to the clubs chances of moving forward.
Campo is the elite AFL payment block but he is playing like Cupido.

If he put his hand out for that kind of money he has to expect criticism if its been 4 years since his last good year...


So he was on $800,000+ before the pay cut? :shock:

The inconsistency by posters is baffling...in a way which makes me chuckle every time.


why do people think he took a pay cut?
Or anyone did.. except those that left/. retired...
Kouta took one.
Whyitnall and Campoom helped us out by pushing money back and averaging one more yar onto their contract at the same dosh..
So took less one yaer.,.. took an extra year with the money averaging out the same as what they were on. Basically gave themselves an extra year of whatever they were on with the club paying later when they could.

Wwhat pay cut??

salary defereal for an extra year on the same green wicket.

Collo ddnt put Campo on the vets list to add some sanity to the salary cap

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Fev will get more next year whether with us or or not.....
My worry is..9if Collingwood is fishing around...and they've decided they will bottom out this year, are they making Fev look like a dill to reduce his value and increase tension with the club so that Carlton will be happy to trade for one of the Shaws?
Ok it's a conspiracy theroy...but whey would you do this:
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The full-forward's occasionally sensitive relationship with the program - he appears regularly despite the misgivings of Pagan and club president Ian Collins - has been exacerbated by footage of him performing at a nightclub the day after the Blues' round-five loss to Fremantle, during which Fevola was reported. Neither Fevola nor his girlfriend knew of the footage until it was aired on The Footy Show.
:shock:

...from Ch9 point of view you are damaging your own asset?

I don't watch the show...but this doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of your own personnel???

If my employer did that to me...we'ld still be in the courts... :evil:
(When did that happen BTW?)

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their wasnt much in what the footy show showed of brendan making a fool out of himself trying to sing drops of jupiter. the only bit he got right was the "na na na nana" bit.


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billc3 wrote:
Fev will get more next year whether with us or or not.....
My worry is..9if Collingwood is fishing around...and they've decided they will bottom out this year, are they making Fev look like a dill to reduce his value and increase tension with the club so that Carlton will be happy to trade for one of the Shaws?


I'm worried that Collingwood will make him nominate for the PSD and we get stuff all for him.
That would seriously get under my skin. Especially with what we could get for him from say West Coast of Hawthorn.

But at the end of the day................and as frustrating as he is..............i want him to stay. And he has 25 on his back. Not many people are worthy enough to wear that number!


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ryan2000 wrote:
billc3 wrote:
Fev will get more next year whether with us or or not.....
My worry is..9if Collingwood is fishing around...and they've decided they will bottom out this year, are they making Fev look like a dill to reduce his value and increase tension with the club so that Carlton will be happy to trade for one of the Shaws?


I'm worried that Collingwood will make him nominate for the PSD and we get stuff all for him.
That would seriously get under my skin. Especially with what we could get for him from say West Coast of Hawthorn.

But at the end of the day................and as frustrating as he is..............i want him to stay. And he has 25 on his back. Not many people are worthy enough to wear that number!



At his best Fev might be worthy to wear the no 25. He has certainly shown glimpses. But to be worthy of Jezza's number he needs to perform consistently. He has not done that. The club is doing the right thing in holding off on any re-negotiation. I would love it if Fev proved that he was worth what his manager is suggesting but he is not worth anything near that at present.

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If Fev was consistant then he could be better than Jezza. No disrespect but look at the Wizard Cup games. Fev could easily be a 100+ goal kicker per year. EASY!
He has wonderfull marking sense and great hands!

C'mon Fev. Stand up and show us all what you really have! It's round 8. Which means that we have 14 games to go. I reckon he could kick 3 or 4 goals a game for the rest of the season quite easily. That would give him 3 consistant years of 60 goals. Not bad.............but could be better.

If he can get his head right (which isn't going to be easy) then i could also see him as a possible captain!


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but somebody tell me why, when we have so few 'A' grade players we would want to trade him off for any reason.


Not sure what you mean 2ndeffort
'A' grade player at Carlton - possibly, but I would put a couple in front of him
'A' grade on potential - maybe
'A' grade in relation to the competition - not even close. Think of the other players in the competition you considered to be 'A' grade. Is fev really up with these guys?

IMO he has the ability to be 'A' grade, but is probably 'B' grade at best at the moment. What has he done? Although we should try to keep him, how much is potential worth & how long do you associate potential with a player - 1,2,3,4,5 years in the system? If he wants $500K+ let him go.

On current/past performances (with a little added for 'potential') $300K + incentives max


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If Fev was consistant then he could be better than Jezza......!


Ryan never in a million years. Fev does not get within a bulls roar of Jezza.


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