Good question. Answer is the surgeon got called away for a personal phone call and you took the opportunity to bring in a better surgeon who saved that person

So now I'm just an attempted murderer

is that why no one wanted him to leave when he was being lured into politics..

yeah i gotcha

...and a chucker.

cheat.

I cant help but laugh when I see that picture ... sometimes he does some downright stupid things he can make an absolute tool of himself like the time he sold his 11million dollar mansion in Toorak and forgot to mention it to his wife

but mjonc hit the nail on the head in an excellent post.

http://www.bigjack.com.au/etiquette.php
Table Manners by John D Elliott

Australians have terrible table manners, however not as bad as Americans, who have none at all.

Having stayed with British Royalty and been briefed accordingly, and dined in the greatest restaurants around the world, the following points can be made to improve the table manners of Australians.

The most important guest should be placed on the right of the host, and the second most important on the left.
As you take your seat as a guest you should pull out the chair for the ladies on your right and left, and not sit down until they are comfortably seated.
Immediately you are seated you should take your serviette/napkin and place it on your lap. It is embarrassing to see the waiters having to do it as it shows your bad manners.
When food is being served it should firstly be served to the person on the right then the person on the left, and then continue by serving second from the left.
If a cold dish is served you should not commence eating until all parties have been served.
If a hot dish is served you should start your meal immediately. This is one of the biggest faults of Australians. They wait until everybody gets served and the food goes cold.
Holding your knife and fork is another important facet to good manners. The fork and knife should be held with each forefinger placed on the top, you should not hold your knife like a pencil, this highlights poor breeding.
You must put your knife and fork down when you are not eating.
Don't chew your food with your mouth open.
It is perfectly acceptable to pick up a bone and chew it, provided you only use one hand.
Dishes should not be taken away from the table until everyone has finished the course.
When a lady leaves the table you stand up, when she returns to sit down you repeat the process.
You can put one elbow on the table but never two.
When you have completed your meal/course you place your knife and fork together to signify completion.

FORMER Carlton president John Elliott has been asked to back off making public comments about the Blues after confirming yesterday that he would chair a new coterie group at the request of friend and new club leader Richard Pratt.

I made comment on one specific statement that you presented which insinuated as justifiable and accepted fact ie that he has no respect for women in general or in statistical terms over 50% of the Australian population as you put it.

Your right perspective is an interesting thing and when you put things into perspective don't you agree that you were being melodramatic ? and on another instance don't you agree that choosing certain words such a "groping" that your really taking literal license in order to justify what is really just your own personal opinion, not necessarily fact as you have implied?

How about this Denim. A large number of women perceive Jack as misogynistic and disrespectful towards women. A lot of men do as well. Whether or not it's true is not that relevant.

When we're talking about the effect it will have on the club's image, for supporters and sponsors perception is reality. The club doesn't need to be associated with that perception in every article in the paper. It certainly doesn't help, and it probably causes damage to the club's image.

I think everyone should be welcome at the club, but we need to be very careful about who is presented as the public face(s). Jack should know well enough to keep himself in the background. It appears he doesn't, so those that do know better should be letting him know in no uncertain terms.

I think this thing has been blown out of all proportion.
If he is involved in the manner in which was proposed in yesterday's paper, he will have no administrative or management role at the Club and no influence over the board in any meaningful way.

He has a skill set that will benefit the Club. No-one, particularly at Board level has suggested he did not make some grave errors in the past but I hope you all can accept it is time to move on. Those that followed him also made grave mistakes. Some that followed him actually worked with him and new about these mistakes. Our brand damage continued well after Elliott had left.

We are moving forward. Everyone is welcome back at our Club. The day for holding grudges has passed.

The Board also acknowledges he has no place talking to the media. He was spoken to yesterday by 3 separate Board members - two of them at least could be considered "very influencial".

We are turning the corner. The ride is just starting and everyone is welcome to hop on.

Anyone at MCLP yesterday must surely agree.

I think it was Rachael Hunter while washing her hair that said "it won't happen over night but it will happen".

Just a question...................

Which presidency did the most damage?

Elliot's reign or the Collins / Smorgan years.

Personally, i think the later. Sure Elliot did some silly silly things, but he did about 100 x's more positive stuff for the club than Collins / Smorgan EVER did.

When Elliott took over as President, Carlton had just won 3 flags in 4 years. It had the highest membership in the competition. It had more money than any other club in the competition. It was the envy of the competition.

When Elliott was removed 19 years later, Carlton had just won the wooden spoon (and in the 19 years he was there, with a pretty good list most of the time, only two flags). It's membership had fallen dramatically, to rank behind Collingwood, Essendon*, Hawthorn and Geelong (and caught by St Kilda and Richmond, from memory) - not to mention most of the interstate clubs.

It had racked up a massive debt, to be the poorest club in the competition...yes, worse off than North and the Dogs. And it was about to be fined nearly $1m and stripped of multiple draft picks for repeated salary cap rorting ie cheating by the Board and Management, for which Elliott was responsible.

Now, I may not be the best businessman in this country, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that the Club had gone into massive decline over the time of Elliott's reign. Just as the rest of his life had fallen apart, so too was the Club under his control. If that was a business, answerable to shareholders, he, as leader of the business, would have been out on his arse years earlier. In fact, the writing was on the wall in the late 90s, just no one chose to read it.

So, whether or not Elliott should come back to the Club or not is now a matter of personal opinion. But NEVER, EVER let it be said that John Elliott was not ultimately responsible, as President of Carlton, for the disastrous state that the Club found itself in at the time of his removal.

Yeah that's a fair post mate.

I'm still going with the Collins / Smorgan years myself, but it's cool hearing other people's opinions on it!

How about this Denim. A large number of women perceive Jack as misogynistic and disrespectful towards women. A lot of men do as well. Whether or not it's true is not that relevant.

When we're talking about the effect it will have on the club's image, for supporters and sponsors perception is reality. The club doesn't need to be associated with that perception in every article in the paper. It certainly doesn't help, and it probably causes damage to the club's image.

I think everyone should be welcome at the club, but we need to be very careful about who is presented as the public face(s). Jack should know well enough to keep himself in the background. It appears he doesn't, so those that do know better should be letting him know in no uncertain terms.

Welcome back Jack.

Hopefully you can build up what you pulled down. Just because Mr. Pratt is your friend don't think for one minute many of us will forget what you did to our club.

Not many people get a 2nd chance to redeem themselves so do the right thing and start the cash registers ringing.

Regards Cazzesman

PS Keep your big mouth shut and work behind the scenes as you have been asked.