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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:20 am 
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Stephen Silvagni

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If Elliot has any sense, he'll accept RP's invitation but stay in the background and keep his mouth shut. If he wants the Elliot legacy read a little better in 20 years, he'd be advised to do all he can to help his son become a worthy board member.

Elliot back at the club: yes, but only if he stays in the background and doesn't try to be a defacto mouthpiece of the club.


I agree with you JM on both points.

He should never be the mouthpiece of the club...ever. If he is dumb enough to continue to serve the media, then he'll fall on his sword again...and that'll be the last we see him directlty asscociated with Carlton.

People don't want him because of what he did in the past, but also what he may do in the future...once bitten twice shy...I understand them completely.

RP's at the helm, and I don't think JE will do any damage whilst that's the case.

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If JE helped sticks get Pratt to the club then good on him. The board we have and the Prez we have is pretty much the old firm.

I will buy my first membership since the 02 this year.

When the natives got restless in 02' i always knew there was a better way but everyone needed to vent their anger at us recieving our first spoon and a richmond like mess was created. The AFL loved it coz this restlessness delivered them their man. If everyone had of stayed cool tHe likes of Pratt and Delutis would have righted the ship but instead we had to put up with a few years of garbage.


Elliott built a grandstand instead of moving to MCG. My mates and i use to brag about carlton playing in carlton for years so i really cant get on his case about that mistake.

The cheating is what all clubs were doing although no others got checked.

I am stoked that the place really feels like carlton again.


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Forgive - but dont forget.

Its tempting to want to be punitive and not forgive, but the negativity with this approach might not be very productive or useful to us.

By forgiving, we dont get tied up in things that are likely to be negative for the club from here on in - which is most important.

Plenty of strong positive energy is needed to heal our club and allow it to grow strong once again.

A man with control of significant resources is also very important as well - but someone of course with a more stable financial background than Mr Elliot.

John Elliot has major personality flaws which he has difficulty controlling and when they are expressed, they have seriously harmed his own personal development and also the development of others in many ways.

In his quieter moments I am sure that he reflects on this.

This is why we always remember the terrible things that he did to our club.

So if JE is welcomed back and his misdeeds forgiven - but we should all still clearly remember and know that because of past issues, even if he is legally able to do so (which he isnt) he will not be in a position of authority in our club ever again.

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Serge Silvagni

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elliot will not serve the board again

but he should be allowed to attend functions and make the odd speach at luncheons or whatever every now and then, if pratt wants him to.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:10 pm 
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Vinnie Catoggio wrote:
OK, so the election is behind us, we have a fantastic new president, a young and committed board behind him and for the first time in a long time a real positive feeling surrounding all things Navy Blue.

But still the media can't help itself, and wants to touch on John Elliott and whether or not he'll be welcomed back to the club. Richard Pratt gave his view yesterday; however I still have reservations about whether it is time yet for Elliott to be re-embraced into Carlton's inner sanctum? Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

My view: Elliott is still to repent for what he did and how he ran our club into the ground. Yes we had some great success under his reign, but (as much as I don't want to go back in the past) there is no doubt that we are still paying for his sins. For him to be re-accepted into the fold I would want to see some acknowledgement that some of the decisions made in his time could have been better (that's as far as I'll go here..), and for him to stop taking pot shots at our current administration and/or playing group for the sake a cheap headline.

So, what do you think it will take for Elliott to be welcomed back to the club? And do you think now is the right time?

NB: Been a very long time since I've posted on TC, but I've been monitoring the site daily and actively reading and appreciating the passion and thought that goes into TC posters views over the last few months. Thanks everyone!


:( Get your head out of the sand. Elliot /Lofts have no desire to be on the Carlton Board again.

Winners (Collins) always write history in their own favour. Just remember that there was no suggestion of financial problems when Elliot was in, in 2002. Was this fantasty or the fact that Ellioit knew that he could call on some supporters to help out when needed. It suited Collins/Smorgan's purpose to put the bleakest picture possible so as to totally discredit the previous administration and justify what they were doing. What did Collins do, he got us to TD instead of the MCG and killed the Social Club, and we all know what Smorgan achieved.

What is past is past. Forget it

If Big Jack can bring in King Richard and a group of other supporters who get Carlton out if the poo now and in the future, who gives a rat's tosser what happened in the past.

The fact of the matter is that King Richard and Big Jack have worked well together in the past and are comfortable with each other, just let it happen. The main thing to worry about is when we get our next Flag and that we can get enough support now and in the future to get us back to where we belong - at the top of the tree . With King Richard in place, the movers and shakers who got us to the top and kept us in power during the 80's and 90's are now coming back.

Let's welcome them and all the new blood, whose main aim is to make us a genuine AFL power once again. [b]This is more important than any perceived problems in the past


Let's relax and enjoy the ride back to the top again and give the big finger to those people who have taken delight in bagging us over the last couple of difficult years. When Flag No.17 arrives in a couple of years, how good will this feel. :-D :-D


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"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it", or something like that.

I don't have an issue with JE coming back to club functions, or being friends with Pratt or whatever. If he really cared about the club he'd refused any and all media interviews, but I can't see that happening.

However, we should never, ever forget the damage he did to the club. It may have been with the best intentions, but he made some monumental blunders. Building the legends stand without a watertight guarantee that PP would get the usage required to make it viable?

The game changed and JE didn't pick that up. Rather than recognising where the future lay, he continued living in the past. A poor effort that left us in the position we are now.

And waldo, if you honestly believe that the club wasn't in a dire financial position when Elliot was booted out then you're deluded. I guess if what's come to light since then doesn't convince you then nothing I say will, but JE left us in a terrible position (on and off field) in 2002 and there can be no doubt whatsoever about that.

Maybe if left in power he would have fought the penalties, and his mates may have kicked in the cash to keep us afloat, but in the end his house of cards would have come crashing down.


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Mordan wrote:
"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it", or something like that.

I don't have an issue with JE coming back to club functions, or being friends with Pratt or whatever. If he really cared about the club he'd refused any and all media interviews, but I can't see that happening.

However, we should never, ever forget the damage he did to the club. It may have been with the best intentions, but he made some monumental blunders. Building the legends stand without a watertight guarantee that PP would get the usage required to make it viable?

The game changed and JE didn't pick that up. Rather than recognising where the future lay, he continued living in the past. A poor effort that left us in the position we are now.

And waldo, if you honestly believe that the club wasn't in a dire financial position when Elliot was booted out then you're deluded. I guess if what's come to light since then doesn't convince you then nothing I say will, but JE left us in a terrible position (on and off field) in 2002 and there can be no doubt whatsoever about that.

Maybe if left in power he would have fought the penalties, and his mates may have kicked in the cash to keep us afloat, but in the end his house of cards would have come crashing down.


Sums up my sentiments precisely.

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I will never forget the poo that John Elliott placed us in.

Financially a most of that poo was created by the debt associated with the construction of the "Legends Stand."

But let us not forget that the "Legends Stand" was conceived and built before Docklands was even on the drawing board, and whilst VFL Park Waverley was a cold and unloved backwater.

In the mid-90s there was an opportunity for a 3rd stadium in Melbourne to cost effectively stage interstate games with the lower attending Melbourne AFL clubs.


John Elliott put AFL CEO Wayne Jackson and AFL Commissioners Ron Evans and Graeme Samuel off side big time - and they saw it as their mission in life to get John Elliott - the Dockland Stadium development was their first salvo.

Creating the 50,000 seat stadium meant Princes Park became obsolete overnight and the next salvo was aiming snivelly lacky Ken Wood at Carlton when Ken Wood could have done the same job at any of the other 15 clubs.

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As much as Big Jack screwed around with the finances & other stuff he would not have wanted the club brought to it's knees like it has been, i'm sure anyone of us has made mistakes in the past & has wanted to be accepted back in some way

If Dick Pratt wants Jack to come along to a pre-game luncheon let him, we can all live in the past if you want but lets just get on with it & look to the future, that's what we have to look forward to

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You guys just keep heaping it all on Elliot. What about Parkin? He patched the team for years and tried constantly to squeeze another win without any regard to the future - play for the now. Financially the club will recover - there is far too many powerful supporters around the club. At the end of the day imo Parkin did far more damage - as rebuilding a team takes far longer than rebuilding a bank account.


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Perhaps, but I'd say we're doing far better with the former than we are for the latter. The Blues are skint and we need some cash, big time. Without cash we can't jump-start our marketing / communications push, nor potentially keep that young team forming that we've suffered so much to obtain.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:38 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
waldo48 wrote:
Vinnie Catoggio wrote:
OK, so the election is behind us, we have a fantastic new president, a young and committed board behind him and for the first time in a long time a real positive feeling surrounding all things Navy Blue.

But still the media can't help itself, and wants to touch on John Elliott and whether or not he'll be welcomed back to the club. Richard Pratt gave his view yesterday; however I still have reservations about whether it is time yet for Elliott to be re-embraced into Carlton's inner sanctum? Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

My view: Elliott is still to repent for what he did and how he ran our club into the ground. Yes we had some great success under his reign, but (as much as I don't want to go back in the past) there is no doubt that we are still paying for his sins. For him to be re-accepted into the fold I would want to see some acknowledgement that some of the decisions made in his time could have been better (that's as far as I'll go here..), and for him to stop taking pot shots at our current administration and/or playing group for the sake a cheap headline.

So, what do you think it will take for Elliott to be welcomed back to the club? And do you think now is the right time?

NB: Been a very long time since I've posted on TC, but I've been monitoring the site daily and actively reading and appreciating the passion and thought that goes into TC posters views over the last few months. Thanks everyone!


:) My information is that Big Jack has been working quietly and assiduasly in the background over the last 12 months and has had a major hand in bringing Dick Pratt back to the Club. He also is apparantly working very hard to bring more sponsors and more money into the Club. Unfortunately Smorgan wouldn't deal with him.

Jack will never hold an administative position with the Club again, but that doesn't mean that he and people like Wes Lofts should be lost to the Club. They are Carlton through and through and given the chance will play a major part in our revival. Let's cut him some slack and forget about the past and concentrate on the now and more importantly, the future. :) :)


waldo JE doesn't need any slack to be cut. He bought this club to it's knee's and that is a simple FACT. Never ever forget it. FACT, FACT, FACT.

If he and Wes now want to work behind the scenes to put something back into a club they both nearly killed off them good luck to them. It is the very least they could do after the mess they made. If DP wants him to come along to a Presidents meeting then that is his choice but JE should never be allowed to forget what he did to this club due to his blind arrogance and ego.

Regards Cazzesman


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Least we agree on something.

I'm glad I don't follow the tigers either. Now $&*^% off back to Punt Road with your feral mates.

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