Would it be disloyal if the younger players at Carlton took the senior players aside and demanded that they show some effort?

Would it be disloyal for players like Thornton, Waite, Wiggins, Simpson etc., to ask their leadership group what's going on?

Would it be disloyal for the younger players to ask their senior colleagues when watching the replay on Sunday morning, what in sam holy hill they were doing ball watching?

Would it be disloyal for the younger players to ask what their senior colleagues were being paid and whether they deserved to earn their pay after their effort on the weekend?

Would it be disloyal for the junior players to ask their senior players to resign their leadership positions?

Would it be disloyal for the junior players to not give the handball off to Camporeale or Stevens as they run past?

Would it be disloyal for the junior players do play their own version of "don't pass to Kouta, Camporeale or Whitnall"?

Finally, would it be disloyal for the junior players to request Denis to delist or trade the senior players who fail to put in the effort?

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A clear case of Synbaditis. I really think you should see a doctor or an MC. I prescribe 1 win... some time this year.... hopefully.....

Id be happy with one win... no more than one though...

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Give it a f**king rest.

The reason that Camporeale and Stevens receive handballs is cos they're the only guys in the team that can hit a bloody target.

OK mate, we'll do it your way - we'll send Stevens into the pack, he'll dish it out to Johnson/Wiggins/Bannister/Sporn/(insert any young dud we have) and they'll hit the spare defender on the tit with a wobble pass.

If you had your way and crucified our leaders (without holding our INEPT third tier accountable) the club would be playing amateurs in 5 years.

Fair criticism is OK, but your libel against our leaders is frustrated bullshit.

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Yes it would, becuase, Stevens, Campo, Whitnall, Kouta are the reason why we have even won any games this season.

Were pretty shit eh?????

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That is what the team is lacking ..........

A LEADERSHIP GROUP !!!!!!!

Clem I have to agree with Simon - Stevens & Campo are our best chances to hit targets. Yes they have to work on their defensive games but how would the team improve by having them in and under while some of our less skilled players deliver to the forwards?

...and I really think you are being too tough on Kouta. He is busting his gut for the team clearance wise and in my mind that is true leadership.

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Agree Bluebird. In the telecast of the Hawks game it was mentioned that, in our side, Kouta is the only player that has played every minute of every game so far this year!

Think about that for a moment. The oldest bloke on our list! Playing arguably the most physically-taxing role in our side, doing the all the hard stuff in-and-under.... and he's the only one that's had to play every minute of every game!

Even a player 10 years his junior would find that sort of workload tough-going. Never mind at 32 years of age. And they don't have to play with the added burden of captaining the side and playing with a bung knee that's had complications every year (as recently as 2 months ago) since it was first injured. No wonder he sometimes can't raise a gallop to chase. He's buggered!.. and getting little support from other teamates sharing the in-and-under workload to make matters worse (of the top of my head, I can't think of too many other 32 year olds in the AFL that has such a big workload, and yet so little support).

Very harsh call to lump him in the same bracket as some of the other players being criticised as far as I'm concerned.

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were looking at the hole in the donut not the whole of the donut.
If Campo is an expert at kicking he would be hitting more targets..because at the moment he is being paid 600k plus to not lead.. not provide any REAL run.. not provide grunt and not hit targets.
So whats he good for then???
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.. say it again!!!... love that song...

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Who would you say is a better kick of the footy at the club than Camporeale? I would say Stevens and Houlihan could argue their cases and someone like Fev is a better kick for goal but Campo is a field kicker.

The fact that he misses targets is sometimes his fault and sometimes its the bloke receiving the kick's fault. But the fact is that Campo is at least one of the better kicks at the club. Whether that's an indictment on the club is for you to decide but I don't think it is.

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Someone else being paid $600K+ is also missing a lot of targets with his kicking...oh but he's not being paid to be a leader. Wish I knew his secret.

Fev is a better kick field or otherwise than Campo.
It doesnt say alot about the club when Campo is there to kick a footy and he isnt hitting that many targets does it??
Well an emphasis has to be put on basic skills in recruiting.
I really dont think you can truly teach someone to be a Stewie Dew.. and Campo is not in the Stewie Dew league if were talking hes there to just kick.

If Campo is receiving 600k plus to be our version of Stewie Dew (lets be realistic thats what Stewie Dew does) then he has failed miserably..

I bet the forwards would prefer the ball in Stevens hands than Campos and same with Houlihan.
Kouta is a better kick than Campo...

Watch Campo in a game and tell me how many times he actually finds a target.

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Watch the game against Richmond and tell me who found a target.

Ok verbs, how many found the target from how many kicks?.. from whatever you or whomever youre talking about....

Gonna say 4 out of 32 arent you???

For starters verbs people were saying Lance was given the ball cleanly... how come???

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Why is Campo there to be our version of Stewie Dew? He can't kick as long as Dew, lacks the penetration of Dew etc etc. we all know that.

They're completely different players...you're right you can't learn to kick like Dew can but how many sides have a Stewie Dew anyway? Stewart Dew is a luxury at Port Adelaide and yep I wish we had him or someone that kicks like him but we don't...

I'd say the closest thing we have to Dew is probably Chambers or McGrath in that when they want to they can both roost the ball...and Fev of course. But as you can see we don't have a Stewie Dew so why compare Campo to him?

For what it's worth I reckon Campo has done more for Carlton than Stewie Dew will for Port..

I also think that missing targets isn't always the kickers' fault, often it is, but sometimes the kicker is made to look bad by his target not running hard enough, good defensive play by the opposition etc...

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...and sometimes the players around the kicker let him down by not doing the team thing and laying shepherds.

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At the Richmond game Camporeale had 23 kicks, 17 of which were effective.

He actually had the most effective kicks for any player on the ground, Richmond or Carlton.

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