I'm sure he can squeeze all of that in with his "second coming" duties.

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...Only if he's not required to turn water into wine for John Elliott's corporate box.

Agree.....let Kouta go down with the ship....Murphy can be captain when we refloat it with a new crew....

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- Conor Gillen

Would not be beneficial to anyone if that move was made.

Zero chance that it will happen.

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Waite should only be played at CHB if we're 12 goals up with 8 minutes to play.....make that 2 minutes .

Not going to happen - Walls is great at sturring up the crap.

According to Wallsy - Hulme was our next captain back in 2003, then in 2005 Bryan should have been made an instant member of the leadership group after..... 2 games .

Hand off it, Wallsy stick to the media, son.

Maybe you're onto something. Maybe Rose came out and compared us to Fitzroy to con Mark into taking on the captaincy!!

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/070131/2/12sli.html says it all

In short - we'll have to wait til after the Who Cares Cup

IMHO - It won't happen overnight but it will happen

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

The way the club has been talking to the media the past couple of days, they have been pushing Stevens more than I would have expected.
But it will be difficult to give it to Stevens (either on his own or shared) & then have to remove it from him in 1 or 2 yrs to give it to Murphy.
It will be a big enough statement when they include Murphy in the leadership group or even as a co-vice captain with Stevens.
My bet is still Lance. Stevens & either Lappin or Murphy as co-vice-captains.
btw, loving Waite at CHB for the year - Kouta played his best football after spending a year or so at CHB... (Same with Chris Grant).

ouch!

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

"Pagan said Whitnall sustained a minor knee injury late last year and the Blues wanted to ensure the 2006 club champion would be at his best for the premiership season."


"I think (assistant coach Brett Ratten) made a good point, we don't know how many games Lance has got left with the club, do we want to waste so many in the pre-season competition?

Pagan said a captain would not be appointed until after the NAB Cup.




The quotes above would seem to indicate that Lance will get the captaincy when he returns from injury. What a larf.

But then again Ratten's comment gives me hope.. hopefully this will be Lance's last year at Carlton, so giving him the captaincy would be out of the question.

Seeing Lance described as club champion reminds me of when the Beatles were interviewed for receiving their MBE's.

The interviewer read it out

"John Lennon - MBE"
"Paul McCartney - MBE"
George Harrison - mbe
and then when he read out
Ringo Starr - mbe - everyone laughed - Ringo included. They thought it was funny.

Lance Whitnall - Carlton's best and fairest and captain- that gives me just as many laughs. He is the Ringo Starr of the Carlton footy club.

Why? He played well last year. What is it with "hating" your own players...?

Whitnall is a champion - unstoppable when fit. Great on field leader. Major problem for the opposition. Enough with the gratuitious bagging.

Sadly everyone seems to have one senior player they dislike of late. Some hate Scotland, some hate Stevens, some hate Houlihan, and some hate Whitnall. I myself am not a fan of Lappins current efforts, even though I thought he was great three years ago.

I guess its hard to be one eyed supporters when your team has 'won' two wooden spoons in a row.

It's not a matter of being one eyed. It's a matter of judging our players on facts and not fiction. Judging on performance not speculation.

Fact:
Lance is an All Australia, B&F winner, leading goal kicker, 200 game player. He deserves to be recognised as the star that he is. Last year he was close to selection in the All Australian team at CHB.

Fiction:
Lance is not a star of the Carlton Football Club.

To describe Lance as the Ringo Star* of Carlton is insulting and pathetic. He has dealt with injuries all through the later part of his career and has still gives his all, in an undermanned team. Imagine Carlton last year without Lance. It's scary to think of it. He didn't just hold down one position, he held together the entire backline.

Lets hope his body can hold up for another few years so he can enjoy the fruits of his labour - Captaincy and sone more success. Same goes for Kouta (champion) and Lappin (champion).

We talk alot about the star players in the era of the 80s. I wonder if all those champion Carlton players would have been as good if they were playing in Carlton's 2002-2006 team. Lance, Kouta, Lappin and the like can hold their heads up high.

* Although Ringo Star was considered by Lennon and Macartney as the best drummer in Liverpool when they brought him into the band to replace Pete Best.

I don't hate Lance .. i just think that the Carlton match committee and Lance collectively are fakers and living in the twilight zone if they think he deserved to be the best and fairest winner and our marquee player.

$400,000 - just imagine how that could have been put to better use.

we could have got steven armstrong in the draft a few years back when melbourne delisted him - . (they got him on the rookie draft)

this is the guy that kicked the winning goal for west coast in the grand final.

and we could have also got another good $200,000 player.


lance plays on the 4th-6th best forward most weeks.

can you imagine Kernahan in 1987 winning the best and fairest by playing on Russell Morris as opposed to Chris Langford.. just so it made it easier for him and more likely for him to pick up kicks.. oh sorry, that's right the match committee call it strategic planning.


Corey McGrath gets to battle it out against buddy franklin, gets delisted, but lance plays on some 6th ranked forward/ rookie... yep. that is fair.

we are in the twilight zone. we can't make the tough decisions. we reap what we sow.

I like ringo starr and believe he assisted in the beatles's popularity, but to call him a frontrunner or leader of the group over lennon and mccartney would be plain silly.

Likewise, asking lance to be the leader of carlton just doesn't make sense.

I can't believe we missed the chance to secure THE Steven Armstrong, when we had the chance.

He could of helped Fev out last year with that goal.

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As much as i think Murphy is a gun player, i dont think he is ready for captaincy yet for at least another two years.

Two good players are worth more than one over-paid average slow player

What stopped us from taking Armstrong in the Rookie Draft? I don't imagine it was money as they're on a set wage.

Which $200,000 player do you propose we would have taken, and how? We can't attract anyone decent in the PSD and the MC get bagged for recycling anyway.

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