Can someone answer the following few questions for me please.

There will be an AGM in 2007. March they say.

Smorgon has his Unity ticket with 8 friends plus Sticks and Lee. That makes 11 plus the lonely Diggins who is flapping in the breeze.

The AFL and Smorgon wanted 6 board members on the board a short time.

There were 10 last week, 2 went and 4 came onboard via the tradesmans entrance. That made 12.

Now there is talk that young Tom and 3 others will have a ticket. Could be more, could be less. That ticket will join Sticks and Lee if they get up. Diggins is will still be flapping with all her friends.

So my question is......When it comes to the AGM how many are we actually voting for to put onto a CFC Board.

Where does it say how many we can vote for? Who says how many we can vote for. If Smorgons Unity ticket fails to get a vote. Is there a min and/or a max.

If the members only want 6 then Smorgons cast of thousands will miss the boat.

Any answers????

What about you Sal. How about an answer instead of a question

Regards Cazzesman

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Good question Cazzesman, maybe the AFL will decide considering they own us.

so what's ya question?

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I'm still forming a solid opinion hence the reason for my query on your thoughts and not as some of the sinister contributors have suggested but I would hope there would be good balance of "football" types and "business" oriented people as well as a contribution of a well credentialed media personality. That said and not taking into consideration tickets something to the effect of and in no particular order or portfolios
"Football" - F. Brown, R.D.Barrasi, Fitzpatrick, Kernahan, A. McKay, Williams and say a Phil Cleary.
"Business" - Ricky Munday, Gary Lyon or James Brayshaw, a legal type I think there's been one mooted, Lee, Moulton ?, Harrison ?.

What about the redevelopment of Optus Oval into an elite training centre? Not a bad effort considering we're so badly in debt that we can barely pay our players.

Andain, WTF have I ever suggested I'm a Smorgon supporter, I have clearly outlined my views on him and you are falling into that category with him. Don't let your ignorance get in the way of rational discussion.

Your either didn't notice that I quoted Rhys26's post, or you can't accept alternative views. Which one is it?

I don't care what your opinions are about Smorgan. I was answering a question from Rhys26 since it was obvious nobody else was going to mention it.

Smorgan's not great at the PR side of the job, no doubting that, and he's running a divided board with at least one idiot gossiping to the media every time they have a disagreement at board level (disagreements happen often at every board I'm sure). He's also running a club with a debt so astronomical that every other type of business would've just declared bankruptcy and called it a day. When you've got money there are plenty of things you can do to make more money and to strengthen the club on field and off field. Unfotunately we're broke and when you're broke the only real thing you can do is survive and try to pay off you're debts. Smorgan is doing that. He's got an excellent backround in business and has been in the job for barely a year. I personally think we should just sit back, let the man do his job and just accept the reality that its going to be at least 4-5 years before Carlton will turn it around financially regardless of who happens to be president.

My humble apologies Andain I failed to see who you were quoting. My whole point is that it's easy for some to sit at their key board and shit pot the club but at some point find a positive idea or solution or God forbid, stand for the Board, easy............

ASFAIK all bar Sticks & Lee are up for election. I assume if Smorgan puts 10 up for election then 10 spots will need to be filled.

Andain,
I find this comment puzzling. Smorgan is paying off debt? Last year the board had to seek 2 million dollars special assistance of which 1.5 million become more debt.
Are you all there?

10 spots up for grabs.

Whoever the new group is (that is if there is only one of them) will have to get 6 or more members of their ticket in the top 10 in terms of votes (I assume it is a preferential system again).

Lets say the alternative ticket puts up 10 people and there are also a couple of independants, that means there could be at least 22 people on the ballot. Muddy waters indeed.

That is going to take a lot of organising from the alternative ticket/s, a lot of people are too stupid to be able to order their votes correctly according to 'ticket' lines. There are going to have to be 'how to vote' cards/proxies and the whole shebang.

Should be interesting to see what happens.

Are there scrutineers involved in the vote counting?

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AFAIK the debt has been paid off somewhat over the last five years.

IIRC it was in the $12-15Million range 5 years ago.

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Ask Eddie McGuire at Collingwood. In the first two years of his presidency Collingwood finished last and second last. The money still came in.
You can be a half glass full type of person or a half glass empty type of person.
Eddie Half glass full. Smorgo and you .... Half glass empty.

Through generating more income or cost cutting? Remember we are competing against 15 other clubs.

Smorgon has done his absolute best to knock things over and make things very complicated.

But come
March the new people will streamline everything .

So it doesnt matter...

Just vote for a ticket when its presented.. and you can bet your bottom dollar there will be people alligning and re alligning.. but when it comes to the crunch what we need is Smorgon Malouf and the impotents out (Marcus Rose Simon Wilson etc.. and hopefully Sticks and Gleeson for being useless) and a dynamic alternative in....

Then im sure they will sort things out themselves.

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Is there or would there be hope of Retaining both Sticks and Gleeson ?

Sticks for appearances and show ( no important jobs as i think you've mentioned or someone mentioned it.)

And Gleeson because he may actually offer something in the right enviroment.

Maybe ??

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Yeah Yeah Synbad but who is the dynamic alternative

Wait till after New Years...

In the meantime go out enjoy yourself and know its all about to get better... and the club has begun to take its first steps towards being back to where it should be...

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Because he realises that we are the type of supporters that may actually exercise our right to vote as members, and the sentiments towards the current board on here are not exactly glowing...



17th Premiership... who the hell you you?!



Oh Andain, don't worry about that - it's all sorted out... the AFL will take care of it, hinging on us agreeing to a plethora of terms and conditions as stated by the AFL to, in effect, give them more control over us... Smorgo will be cool with it...

Sal, to answer your question - I have no idea... I carry no handbook to the 'who's who of power brokers of the business world', and myself do not have the business acumen to nominate who I think would be suitable *otherwise I'd be on the board * - but I do know this - Smorgon is NOT the man to lead Carlton out of the mire, I do not respect any head of an organisation that relies on PR people to attempt to put rose-coloured glasses on our heads, I don't agree with Smorgo's stacking the board with those faithful to him

That said, yes I'll happily shitcan the board *correction, the MAJORITY of the board* until the cows come home - but if you rad my previous posts you'll find I'll stacked with optimism and positivity and nothing else...

And with that, I'm positive that Smorgon has to go...

The rival ticket that is being touted will have the financial backing of some very powerful people I hope *and by that I don't mean NAB or the AFL, who are backdoor, I mean backing the current board *... if that is the case, my vote goes to them...