I'm suprised people are still talking about Bryan,he will be delisted by Collingwood in 2 Years,maybe even 1,if he is a complete flop there,we would have delisted him next year that's pretty certain after a 1 year deal.

... classic.

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Bryan wouldn't even be playing senior footy if we hadn't plucked him from Frankston, then he goes all Rio Ferdinand on us.
Bear lacks intensity and will never settle at AFL level, but Cam Cloke who knows! 21 years old but adult body and getting over shoulder injuries, but at least he has a real crack. <insert posh joke here>.
Bryan is the classic one trick pony and Deluca well if you can't say something nice.... Ackland and Cloke > Bryan and Deluca, in both rucking and going forward so for mine it's all good, and some positive work in the "trade difficult" ruckman area.
Neither are Sandilands or Cox but both came without any real cost and for rucks that's not always the case. Think of what you would have to give to a gun ruck that can play in round one 2007, reckon at least a top ten pick maybe two. With no Deluca and French and the failed Batson experiment, getting Ackland over with our clubs perceived situation was magic and forgetting his fathers past, Cam Cloke well worth the risk.

Welease Bwyan.

I get it.

Great thread Zoneman.

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Yeah but those demands came from the Pies offering him a better deal. Collingwood had all the cards here, they chose to get rid of Cloke and take Bryan, we lost Bryan and were left with Cloke.

That's according to Collingwood and you. I don't see it as a victory for anyone.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

No that's what happened according to Carlton. Bryan jumped ship and we took Collingwood's scraps to replace him, that's a fact. Had Bryan stayed, we wouldn't have taken Cloke.

First things first - Bryan wanted too much dough. We rightly refused. That's us holding the cards. Regardless of whether he'd already fielded offers from pies.

"were left with cloke". That was our psd decision alone - it wasn't a trade.

better do a few more business deals Game, you're getting scratchy.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Bryan walked, Cloke got the ar$e. We held no cards, we got what was left over.
I don't care for either but let's not pretend we got anything special here, it was one reserves ruckman for another.

Bryan is a ruckman who can rest up forward and kick a goal....Cloke is a CHF who can provide a chop out in the ruck when things get desperate or you want your main ruckman playing behind the ball.

I dont see Mclaren as being an automatic selection or Cloke... and whoeva shows some form in the wizzer cup will be backing up that other masterstroke of recruiting in Ackland in Rnd 1.

For what its worth I see more upside in Cloke, more variety in where he can play, we need a backup for Josh Kennedy and thats where I see Clokes value...Bryan's attitude to training and fitness is dubious and his excuse about not realising how fit you need to be at the start of a preseason was pathetic...in fact his interview after being drafted was pathetic and if I was a Collingwood supporter I wouldnt be expecting much..

Cloke is a bonus if he does something...our rucks for the future are Hampson, Jacobs with some help from Aisake and the loss of Bryan and the gain of Cloke isnt going to make or break the club...

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how can Cloke be a CHF when he's only ever played in teh ruck? am I missing something?

I've only ever seen CAMERON Cloke played in the ruck off the bench, and was drafted as a ruckman.

Im sure I haven't seen every game he's played, but I STRONGLY DOUBT he has ever played CHF for the Collingwood firsts OR even as a junior.

Am I missing something? The guy is a short, shit ruckman....... hate him all you want but he's not a KPP.

He's a short, shit ruckman!!!

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He's a short, shit ruckman ENIGMA.

Cameron Enigmaman will haunt your bed sheets with boot marks and hair tint.

Collingwood poached Bryan.

Whether we did the right thing is another question.

But make no mistake, Collingwood poached him.

.... and paid far too much for him IMO.

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ADP... you've seen more of Cloke than any of us.

His position.......

Forget about his height... what position has he played predominantly throughout his career?

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...he played for Collingwood

Bryan would not have nominated for the PSD if he hadn't had a better offer from Collingwood. He'd have accepted the 1 year deal from us if that was all that was on offer.

Poach him, Scramble him or Sunny Side up him. Collingwood did what they think is right, we did what we thought was right.
I would lose more sleep if he was on our list for two years.
You can look forward to two years of "crash and bash" footy as Geoff Walsh described it

I am sure he was drafted as a CHF from eastern ranges via Park Orchards.....he came to prominance as a ruckman due to Collingwoods injuries when they lost Fraser and Richards.....Cloke rucked ok for a while and then the Pies took Fanning off the rookie list and promoted him.
Cameron Cloke when recruited was likened to Jonothan Brown due to his strong build....I dont remember him being recruited as a ruckman....it was as a CHF/Kpp.....his lack of mobility and poor conversion in front of goal didnt help his CHF prospects with the pies either.....
I would call him a ruckman by default......

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So they had two Jonathon Brown's? Billy Morrison and Cameron Cloke