Pagan has probably said it out loud to bring everything to a head.

There maybe issues, but we need to settle this tug of war.

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Pagan's been in the caper long enough to know more than the dingbats on the board...completely no idea...and not long before a change is made hopefully for the better...

The club shouldn't have given Zantuck false hope, if it had no intention of selecting him. simple.

Crap. Just because we invite someone to train with us does not mean we have to pick them up or are obliged to do so. If anything we have done Zantuck a favour by asking him to train. There are always talent scouts at this time of year watching other teams train and who is training with them.

Anyone could of drafted Zantuck and we gave him the opportunity to be out there to show his training attitude.

For all those people now all of a sudden feeling sorry for him, you are being hypocrits. You MOSTLY hated the idea of him around our young kids, but now are all trying to stick knives into Cloke.

Get over it, its only the second pick of a pre-season draft. He is only 21 years of age. Doesn't mean because his father is a dick head he is also. Give him a chance. Yeh he may not of impressed you all with his time at Collingwood, but he is here now so PEOPLE CHANGE SOMETIMES.

Couldn't be much better than they have been.

Pagan is an idiot to even consider drafting Zantuck.

Many people thought Leigh Matthews was an idiot for drafting martin Pike to the lions a few years back and history would suggest that he significantly contributed to three premierships. I think that all drafting decisions should be left to both the Senior Coach and Recruiting Manager only.

10/10.... agree completely... The general posters on here need to really have a look @ what you are all saying. You (as a whole) are pagan bashers.... if Mitchell\Ratten or whoever you want in place was in this situation you would be in an uproar... no only does it take control of the football related parts of the club from dennis, imagine what Cloke would be feeling after all this. It would be like starting a new job and on the first day your boss saying "Welcome, I had someone better in mind but I couldn't hire them for other reasons so I have you... welcome.. make yourself at home".

Although I would have prefered to draft neither of these players.. what has happened is an absoloute disgrace and someone needs to be held accountable... if it wasnt the board and it was the match comittee as has been suggested Sticks, Gleeson etc. need to step forward and give reasons, CFC can hire all the public relations firms that want but if they have morons in charge you will keep paiting this club with the same tainted brush.

Only one fair way over Pagan: back him or sack him

It must also be acknowledged who allowed Zantuck to be brought in to train with the Blues in the first place?

IMO that is where the idea should have been stopped to begin with.

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you are......

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It was Verbs.

Only had a quick browse through this topic so sorry if its been posted already.

A caller just called in on SEN saying Zantuck is seeking legal advice as Pagan told him he would be drafted by the club.

That would open the floodgates for thousands of players.

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Denis is no fool, and doesnt say things without a reason.

It may be good, and it may be bad. That depends on the
reason he came out like that.
He has to live with the consequences of the picks in the draft. Apparently
no one else remembers this being discussed. That is possibly why he
said it, to put it on the record.

There are probably many journalists in shock after getting a straight
answer.

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Are we talking about the same Denis here?

The picture of Denis being some sort of victim is laughable.
He accepted the proposal to continue on revised terms so to whinge about it publicly is not on.

As for "loyal lieutenants" Mulkearns and Elshaugh, Pagan dropped them like a discarded tissue when the heat was applied.
The question was asked why the players were struggling to run out games and apparently, "the players were'nt fit enough"!!!
No thought that no player in the AFL will run out a game without a decent midfield rotation in place?
Exit Mulkearns.

There are 2 options here, Denis was either mischievious or incompetent yesterday.
He had plenty of time to prepare his statement and he went in to that interview with his eyes open.
Whatever the motive, he put himself above the stability of the club..

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Yup. I delivered Hampson too.

it's a misprint....

Pagan has severe allergies and smorgon told him to take claratyne, not zyrtec....


Pagan was snuffed up and tired and thought smorgon said

"Its CAMERON time, not ZANTUCK"


true story

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