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molsey wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=307142

Nothing to worry about guys.


What a load of shit!!!


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molsey wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=307142

Nothing to worry about guys.


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- Competing for a position in the Finals
- Will be using elite training facilities at MC Labour Park
- Will be generating an annual profit
- Will have a membership base over 35,000


That sounds rather like a three year plan to me. I love those ... I like the whooshing sound they make when they go flying by unfulfilled!


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Did anyone see the piece on the Punchlines page in Sunday's Herald Sun?

It went something like this:

Don't for a second think that peace reigns at Carlton where an assault on the Board is being meticulously planned. There is still uncertainty about when the AGM will be held, but whether it is late next month or in March next year, a challenge will be mounted.

The name of its leader remains closely guarded.


And the drama continues to unfold on Days of Our Lives. :(

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Competing for a position in the Finals


Isn't that what we've been doing for the last 100 or so years.

I could have sworn that's what we did this year.

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DownUnderChick wrote:
Did anyone see the piece on the Punchlines page in Sunday's Herald Sun?

It went something like this:

Don't for a second think that peace reigns at Carlton where an assault on the Board is being meticulously planned. There is still uncertainty about when the AGM will be held, but whether it is late next month or in March next year, a challenge will be mounted.

The name of its leader remains closely guarded.


And the drama continues to unfold on Days of Our Lives. :(


Closely guarded...does that mean that Jim Wilson will be part of the challenge??

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And in other breaking news....

Graham Smorgon had a poached egg, 3 rashes of bacon and some nice home made muffins for brekky this morning followed by a good crap......

Laurraine would like us all to know that she purchased 3 new Collette Dinnigan frocks on saturday and a lovely pair of strapless stilettos in royal blue........

Simon Wilsons haemorroids have improved out of sight since he purchased a donut cushion.........

And Sticks shot a 79 off the stick at Royal Kew last Thursday. :)

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As Smorgan has now commenced campaigning for the 2007 Carlton board elections, I feel now is a good time to announce my candidacy.

My campaign plantform is based on a 4 year plan. This is clearly 33% better than a 3 year plan, and shows significant foresight on my part, that Smorgan cannot meet.

The key point of my campaign, can be sumarised like this:

By end at least 2010 (ie. by 2010 or later) Carlton football club will be:

- Competing for a premiership
- Will have ultra-elite training facilities at MC Labor Park
- Will be generating a $2m annual profit
- Will have a membership base of at least 40,000 members

As you can see, as my plan states that we will be significantly better off under my leadership than Smorgans, you should vote for me!


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Vote 1 for Morden

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pfft,

Under my presidency my plan is to:

By end at least 2010 (ie. by 2010 or later) Carlton football club will be:

- Competing for two premierships
- Will have very-ultra-elite training facilities at MC Labor Park
- Will be generating a $2.5m annual profit
- Will have a membership base of at least 45,000 members


:-D

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Cant we throw in a clause about "no child will be living in poverty".? :roll:

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And Sticks shot a 79 off the stick at Royal Kew last Thursday.


Give him the presidency - if he could actually do that - it would be a better feat than anything the current board put together have achieved

Only problem would be who does he side with, the front 9 or the back 9 and we would end up split again -

Oh well plan B ... oh wait whats a plan again :roll:

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molsey wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=307142

Nothing to worry about guys.


Isn't it nice to know that one of the wealthiest men in Australia is using at least $25,000 of our club's money in order to send out a letter to club members that says nothing not already in the public sphere with the only possible justification being that it's being sent in order to prop up his deteriorating presidency.

That's $25,000 that goes straight onto the red bit of the P&L statement.

Or in other terms we'll need 150-200 additional memberships next year simply to pay for that letter.

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As a member I'm finding this incompotence all too much like 'Yes Minister.' As such I've para-phrased this classic line...(only needed to change 'Home Secretary' to 'members'....

Bernard: Apparently the fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need to know was known, and therefore those that needed to advise and inform the Members perhaps felt that the information that he needed as to whether to inform the highest authority of the known information was not yet known and therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed because the need to know was not at that time known or needed.
Jim: What?!

The 'faceless men' as someone on this board referred to them as - don't want to be seen to be in a bloody coup with Smorgon...one can only presume that this is due to outside business interests (which has and is precluding many) that cross over with that of Smorgon's AND that they don't want to go down the path of 1980 or 2002 where both board shakeups were not pretty and made back page news when cricket should have dominated...

Patience is a virtue people. As Rachel Hunter once said..."it won't heppen overnight - but it wull heppen".


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GWS wrote:
molsey wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=307142

Nothing to worry about guys.


Isn't it nice to know that one of the wealthiest men in Australia is using at least $25,000 of our club's money in order to send out a letter to club members that says nothing not already in the public sphere with the only possible justification being that it's being sent in order to prop up his deteriorating presidency.

That's $25,000 that goes straight onto the red bit of the P&L statement.

Or in other terms we'll need 150-200 additional memberships next year simply to pay for that letter.


That's it. Purely and simply another stupid decision. The same information is posted on the website for ANYBODY to read :roll:

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GWS wrote:
molsey wrote:
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=307142

Nothing to worry about guys.


Isn't it nice to know that one of the wealthiest men in Australia is using at least $25,000 of our club's money in order to send out a letter to club members that says nothing not already in the public sphere with the only possible justification being that it's being sent in order to prop up his deteriorating presidency.

That's $25,000 that goes straight onto the red bit of the P&L statement.

Or in other terms we'll need 150-200 additional memberships next year simply to pay for that letter.


He is thinking about running for politics after his time at Carlton is over . Sitting Governments are experts at using public money to push their own agenda - :lol:

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I wanted a plan. Ive been crapping on about it for a while.

The announcement looks like a plan but it isn't. It is an update and says some nice things which I should generally be happy with - development TICK, admits we still need $2m for the PP redevelopment - TICK, some form of financial outline TICK.

What instead I am drawn to is

* Spelling mistakes / typos. Overall it looks good but is still rushed. Pretty sure this came straight from the President's department too and not the Communications team.

* The need for 32,000 members. By phrasing it this way, the Members become the scapegoat if we dont hit 32,000 (and the team therefore as well). 32,000 is a 10% increase after our consecutive wooden spoon performance, which is a hard ask, and they may have some plans to assist that (the pay by the month thingy?) but if we miss it by inference our $500,000 csah loss will be worse and also the $7m 'cap' will be breached and we're shot then.

* All sponsorships are sold but we're still forecast to be $500k short. This despite us being cut to the bone for costs - how can this be the case? Suggests sponsorships are cheap. The $500k is after the increased website revenues.

* There is no contingency plan for the above if we don't hit 32,000 members.

* There appears to be no acknowledgment that a cash injection is required. Perhaps this is political as it plays into the rumoured benefactors awaiting on the outside, but clearly on these numbers we must look to take in money from wealthy supporters to assist, and truly consider any conditions. Could there be another way to fix this?

Still not sure if I should be happy that the Club is talking to us and at least looking like its trying to lay the groundwork for the future. I'd prefer specifics but perhaps if I was fully confident in the Board I'd be happy that someone on there was looking after it all for me.


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Still not sure if I should be happy that the Club is talking to us and at least looking like its trying to lay the groundwork for the future. I'd prefer specifics but perhaps if I was fully confident in the Board I'd be happy that someone on there was looking after it all for me.


They don't look like anything of the sort.

You are way too lenient on this fool molsey.

That letter simply contains a bunch of "goals" that any 12 year old kid with a half interest in football could have put together.

Goals are not plans.

Plans are the things that outline how you achieve your goals.

All this does is show that Smorgon STILL DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's the equivalent of asking a coach what his plan is and having him answer that it's to win a premiership.

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I'm not trying to be a wise arse by asking this question, but how realistic is it for an AFL club to reveal to its members a complete business plan?

Do other clubs do the same thing? What is the norm? Are we getting what 15 other clubs get from their Board?

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Most likely GWS.

Perhaps I should rephrase - the intent of that line was to say some part of me was happy that they were saying something to the members. But even on a cursory glance at the pamphlet huge holes remain. There is actually very little new information - just a confirmation that $2m is needed for the PP development, that we're $500k under this year even after the additional $700k for web rights which astounds me and then the 32,000 commitment. It's all abit nebulous.

I don't know the man and take the comments for / against him with a grain of salt. All I know is he never responded to my letter introducing him to the Blueseum, delegating that down the line.

ps Is 'stick fat' a Plan? Perhaps 'Waiting for Murphy to lead us to the promise land'?


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DownUnderChick wrote:
I'm not trying to be a wise arse by asking this question, but how realistic is it for an AFL club to reveal to its members a complete business plan?

Do other clubs do the same thing? What is the norm? Are we getting what 15 other clubs get from their Board?


I think if you are the president of a club that's been through as much turmoil as ours has it's incumbent upon you to show the supporter base, sponsors and POTENTIAL sponsors how you're going to lead them to the promised land.

Smorgon hasn't once shown us how we're going to get there. He simply says we need to watch our cashflow and it'll all be okay. We were told three years ago that we'd be cashflow positive by 2005.

We're not and the hole's getting deeper.

I firmly believe in giving people a shot when they take on a job but in the time Smorgaon's been President he's clearly shown he has no idea about how to get a football club in the doldrums moving again.

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