Blue Vain wrote:
JuzzCarlton wrote:
Did Wayne Hughes rate Russell ahead of Wood?
Russell and Hartlett would have both played footy this season if Hartlett was fit and we need Hartlett to stand up as much as we Deluca. And I don't see why we should have invested in a ruck if Hughes didn't rate them as high.
The Hartlett selection was sound because our list was crying out for a KPP at the time and we weren't loaded up with young tall KPP. Moran is a different matter altogether since Cazzesman said we weren't even intending to use that Saddington pick.
The Dogs dug deep in the draft to get talls and ended up overpaying for duds such as Walsh, Wells and Williams(injured). And now they've given up pick 59 for McDougal when he couldn't get a game ahead of Lynch ans he's soft. I don't see the logic in saying picking player X was a poor decision after only two years because they not a ruckman, but rated as the best player on offer by our recruiters.
Will Blackwell's selection ahead of Moran be questioned as well!
Why didn't we take Ryder if we're that desperate for a ruck and this is how you recruit players?
Lets take Leuenberger ahead of Gibbs since we need a young ruckman and hindsight has shown we were wrong to draft what we viewed as the best player on offer.
Who said any player was a dud pick because they're not a ruckman?
He asked a question and I answered it.
I dont understand why we get so precious. I stated in my post that was'nt a criticism of the recruiting staff. In my opinion, whoever manages the list should instruct the recruiters to go for best available in the top 20 and then recruit for need where it is a close call.
Surely in the past 6 years there was a ruckman available that someone rated?
Can you discuss that without going off about Gibbs, Leuenburger, the Bulldogs, Patrick Ryder, Luke Blackwell etc
McKernan because we traded pick 14 for him and Laidley brought him back home again.
I don't see it as a failure that we haven't recruited a ruck if we've drafted the highest rated player with our picks.
I wasn't going off but simply saying the Dogs ended up with duds after targeting talls with their picks.
Hawthorn and Richmond did the same thing when they overlooked Griffen and Franklin to grab a KPP and a onballer in 2003. I don't think it's relevent to point out those rucks you mentioned would have played this year when our picks could be every bit as good. We might have drafted Minson and made Deano ihappy if we hadn't been stripped of our second round pick in 2002 and 2003.
I'm sorry if you and I are both too precious that we can't agree that Pagan is responsible for everything that goes wrong at Carlton.
If it's "Blind Denis" who is managing the list, why is he allegedly unhappy with the selection of Russell
Cazzesman said Hughes was his own man and would pick the best on offer without influence.
General question, did Denis say pick a wingmen, KPP or mid with our early picks in 2004 or was it left up to Wayne Hughes to pick the type of player
We needed every type of player then and that's still the case now.
If we pick Leuenberger there will be hell to pay on here and elsewhere with the average Carlton supporter who thinks Gibbs is the be all end all.
It will be used to twist the knife in Pagan's back.
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I think Carlton will be aiming to pick up Renouf from Qld as the priority pick after round 1 if he is still available. There are some pretty big raps on him and he performed very well at the AIS camp.
