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And, The Tyrant should be ecstatic, Gibbs is ours. Congrtas Ty, all your mindless posts have paid dividends.


So the club will pick Gibbs because of my posts? Cool!

In that case

MESSAGE TO THE CFC:

Please tell the Ghost to wind his clock forward 30 years...

cheers!

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He (Leuenberger) is everything like Fraser! I have watched both at Junior level...and both will be great players. But I also saw Leuenberger get beaten by Kruezer and drop his head. I saw that he doesn't and never will have the tank of Cox - yet is as mobile and potentially as damaging as Fraser around the ground. As far as height and weight goes - they'll be matched pretty evenly when Leuenberger fills out.

Marking and kicking not overly fantastic by either - but more than adequate for a first string AFL ruckman. Reading the game and running to the 'right' spots = excellent for both.

Leuenberger is no 'world class' ruck. He's a gifted and agile tall footballer who has a solid understanding of a modern ruckmans' role. With that as his base - he has what it takes to be - like fraser - a very good ruckman. Collinwood chose well with the priority pick of 1999. They may have stuffed up with danny Roach at pick 7 - but they did better than us...trading away our picks 16,31 and 46 for O'Reilly and Mansfield when David Hille was selected at 40, Rhett Biglands 36 and 'our very own' Cain Ackland at pick 27.


The main criticism with Fraser is that he is poor when it comes to hitouts - this is the complete opposite for Leunberger who palms the ball very well and you only need to see vision of him palming it to Moss to see how effective he is in the ruck. Leunberger has the capacity to put weight on unlike Fraser who took quite a few years to get the necessary bulk

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this popeye isnt overly friendly. :)

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this popeye isnt overly friendly. :)


Popeye had huge forearms and squinted a lot......

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Neil Balme on KB's SEN show this morning was convinced that Leunenberger WILL BE No.1 Draft Pick in the Draft.


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hmmmm...i agree in part. he also repeated himself alot.

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garth p wrote:
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Welcome aboard Cain - I wish you all the best

Oh Cain also shows some aggression at times on the field - a trait we severely lack.

Our ruck stocks are now better than they were yesterday.



Bahahahahahahahahahaha

The only agression he showed whilst at St Kilda was when he pushed Blake .

Oh well fair exchange. We have your Judas and you now have ours .

But only one of them knows how to play football. :twisted: :roll: :garthp:


And the one that doesn't can't get on the field anyway so you lose out twice :twisted:

Welcome aboard Cain. Best of luck, I hope you contribute solidly next year. Anything else will be a bonus to me.

Incidentally, I remember a fair bit of talk on CSC at least about him when he was chopped by Port in 04. A fair whack of supporters seemed to want him then...now he's nore experienced and played finals, so people don't want him anymore. Hmm.

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Neil Balme on KB's SEN show this morning was convinced that Leunenberger WILL BE No.1 Draft Pick in the Draft.


awesome.... we can tick him off our list then

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It's amazing just how many sheep there are here.
One negative post and the rest follow blindly...

Taken from another site listing the positives of this scenario:

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Reasons to be excited:

* still young at 24.
* comes via PSD for free.
* frees up early draft picks for Gibbs and other mid-fielders.
* a "mobile" ruckman.
* will play every game.
* fills the gap of French, giving time to draft a new youngster slowly.
* he played virtually every game with saints with big man competition.
* finished 8th in their B & F in 05.
* played almost every game this year despite coming off a knee injury.
* keen to add leadership to young guys.

* this guy CHOOSES Carlton over a regular finals team.

* he was a required saints player, which shows we're going somewhere, being able to actually attract decent / current afl players.

* being 24 years old gives us an immediate on field impact next year.
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Gibbs was needed much more before the Berger.
So this looks so far to be quite a good acquisition.

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It's amazing just how many sheep there are here.
One negative post and the rest follow blindly...


:lol: :P


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Time to dump Deluca :wink:

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Different type of Judas, we fought the AFL to get Hamill to play in Grand Final after taking him late in the draft and nuturing him. Cain was from Port Adelaide so you can hardly claim hims as a development success.
StKilda also dropped Ackland on the eve of the finals, in one of GT's finest team selections, generally upsets a bloke and he never recovered in-house from the Blake dustup :wink: How do you feel when you are out of contract and your club's new coach of a few hours gets involved to trade for an underworld connected, headcase with no good knee?
Tent Knobel is also a judas?, or just seeking some job security like Ackland more likely. Basically rucks don't get any love down there and the salary cap is tight when you pay list fillers like Hamill and Hardluck Kosi to sit on their wallet each week. Sugar is no star but rucks generally start to learn the craft by about 24, so I'd take him over Gardiner's mind and body everyday.


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blue-insider wrote:
It's amazing just how many sheep there are here.
One negative post and the rest follow blindly...

Taken from another site listing the positives of this scenario:

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Reasons to be excited:

* still young at 24.
* comes via PSD for free.
* frees up early draft picks for Gibbs and other mid-fielders.
* a "mobile" ruckman.
* will play every game.
* fills the gap of French, giving time to draft a new youngster slowly.
* he played virtually every game with saints with big man competition.
* finished 8th in their B & F in 05.
* played almost every game this year despite coming off a knee injury.
* keen to add leadership to young guys.

* this guy CHOOSES Carlton over a regular finals team.

* he was a required saints player, which shows we're going somewhere, being able to actually attract decent / current afl players.

* being 24 years old gives us an immediate on field impact next year.
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Gibbs was needed much more before the Berger.
So this looks so far to be quite a good acquisition.

:)


Good post, and awesome avatar b-i

look, the guys right... the PSD has rarely in recent years been a licence to print money.....

the 3 years bit is a bit of an eyebrow raiser, but the getting of Ackland isn't the worst decision the club has made.... especially if we have a mind to picking up a raw kid in the national and trying to get more experience into Aisake this season.

Ackland isn't a great player, but he's probably as handy as McLaren (or better) and SHITLOADS better than DeLuca and Bryan, whom we can now happily delist at least 1 of (and marginalise the other further).

The fact is, we have to play someone in the ruck. Better Ackland than either DeLuca or Bryan, and better than chucking someone like Kennedy or Aisake into probably the most impact-wearying position on the ground.

Obviously this doesn't necessarily mean Gibbs is ours, but either way if we go for a ruck like L-Berg (pick 1) or Renouf etc they won't come-on in year 1, and McLaren is no certainty to be around beyond next season if he doesn't come on..... that gives a year or 2 grace to build-up whomever we pick this year and Aisake.

By year 3 we would hope that Ackland is on the way out and either Aisake and/or L-Berg/Renouf/whoever are on the way in... and in year 3 I suspect Bryan and DeLuca will be memories and McLaren will have been axed the year before.

ALSO, Ackland seems capable of playing forward to some degree of success, which is something McLaren, French and Bryan weren't able to do. So rather than plonk DeLuca up forward to mismatch and waste another spot in the 22, Ackland might serve that purpose from time to time.

Again, I don't know the guy..... I don't reckon he's a great player.... I'm aware how short he is (but also aware he can out-bench-press Gehrig), but I'm willing to give the guy a chance.

(and will be happier with the decision when we pick a ruck with one of our better picks in the national... but hopefully not pick 1)

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I just hope we don't give him the number 11 guernsey and 36 would be a good fit since Hamill started his career in that guernsey. 8)

Then we can give the number 11 guernsey to Leuenberger.


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Neil Balme on KB's SEN show this morning was convinced that Leunenberger WILL BE No.1 Draft Pick in the Draft.



A sparkling judge of Draft Talent if there ever was one - does Danny Roach ring a bell.

This is just Balme's pathetic attempt to try and get one of the gun mid-fielders down to Pick 8 in the draft.

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This should make you a Happy Chappie Ty!!

Pay particular attention to the quote from Denis right at the bottom of the article. :P

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

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Neil Balme on KB's SEN show this morning was convinced that Leunenberger WILL BE No.1 Draft Pick in the Draft.


Balme's full of shit!!

You don't let a 6'2" quality midfielder go even for a Cox type ruckman.

Who would you prefer Cox or Judd? Sandilands or O'Keefe?

Gibbs it is then 8)

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If we took Berger now, good bye to Deluca and Bryan.

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Neil Balme on KB's SEN show this morning was convinced that Leunenberger WILL BE No.1 Draft Pick in the Draft.



A sparkling judge of Draft Talent if there ever was one - does Danny Roach ring a bell.

This is just Balme's pathetic attempt to try and get one of the gun mid-fielders down to Pick 8 in the draft.


Exactly what I thought mate.


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If we took Berger now, good bye to Deluca and Bryan.


...and Hughes :evil:

Maybe Ackland just wanted to play for a side that didn't have a crying captain :( :cry:

Real men play for the Blues!! :twisted:

(Now that we've de-listed the duds)

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