Gardiner's dodgy legs will spend more time pounding into the surface at Telstra Dome now

And Hamill can play on one leg can he??? Like in his stellar final against Melbourne??

Poor decision - a second string ruckman at another club, not tall enough (196cm), two years with No.1 PSD selection and the best we could do is pick up two second string 196cm ruckmen from other clubs.

The other notable comment here is that since Pagan commenced the pre-season of 2003, we have not drafted a raw ruckman (18 year old, other than Batson through rookie draft) and proceeded to develop them. Had we did this in the 2002 draft (not including retreads in Mott, Deluca), that player would have been ready to go for next year.

Pagan did this at the North as well - never believed in developing their own!!!!

Who's responsible for these decisions? Pagan, O'Sullivan (at the time), Hughes (more recently with Ackland)?

Pagan has clearly gotta go, as do some board members!!!!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

POW!!!

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Assuming that we delist another couple of players (mayve Davies and Bryan or De Luca), I can live with this decision as long as we draft a young ruckmen somewhere in the draft. That will give us 8 new kids on the list, and 1 experienced player to try and address a glaring deficiency.

It would also be nice to upgrade Aisake to the senior list and maybe give him the option of playing in the firsts later in the year.

I had to laugh when I saw how many pages have been devoted to the signing of Ackland when I only heard about it reading the Herald Sun this morning!

I have to believe that there was a reason behind this signing and for now I will go with the fact that the club has got to know what it is doing

Please God, please let them know what they are doing

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Could have been 3 second dtringers - I remember going after Knobel in 1994.

I really don't remember the last Gun player that transferred with the #1 PSD - Its been hacks for the past few drafts from memory

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

Yeh, lets forget about uncontracted players like Sandilands and McPhee and choose this guy..

Mclaren will propably be our no.1 ruck next year..

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Corinthians 9:6- 8

Sandilands - if people think he is available and would come to us you are living in fairyland

McPhee - said no to us which is why we did the deal with Ackland

What if, if this, if that ... criticise the choice but not on the basis of stuff that is simply not true.

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In WADA we trust

obviously we have much cleverer supporters than commitee Does being a carlton supporter mean we have to bag every decision that is made Surely a wise person would at least see how he performs before opening his mouth

Couldn't agree with you more Dukes...people are acting as though we have missed out on Judd in the PSD...it is the PSD for crying out loud. Lets have a bit of perspective...Lets just settle and see what unfolds in the coming weeks....we may see that what was left in the PSD was shite...we may see us picking up a ruckman to develop with pick 17..we may get lucky in the draft by getting a pick we didn't think would be available at 17 or 19....As it stands we have a ruckman who at the very least is better than what we had yesterday.

I just hope the guy does alright.
I would LOVE to drag this thread out next year and show all the Synbads on this board how wrong they were!

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Happy Days Are Here Again!!

agree with what you are saying, not only that but the media are actually praising Carlton for getting Ackland, I suppose everyone on here are better then the experts in the media too.

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Between our dreams and actions lies this world

Ok...I hope like everyone else that we haven't 'jumped the gun' here by committing to (H)Ackland. However - if anyone on here thinks for a second that McPhee or Sandilands were a chance to nominate for the PSD - they are dead set WRONG.

Carlton and Essendon* have a 'verbal' gentlemen's agreement that still exists despite what some people think (read Scott Camporeale playing for them). From all reports, Adam McPhee is committed to Essendon* and doesn't want to move...just has a stubborn manager (Liam Pickering).

Personally - I doubt he would have passed the medical anyway.

As for Sandilands - the new rules in the centre circle has meant that at that height and mass - he is unstoppable. It's taken him a few years - but at 23 and 211cms - he can play the game now too. he's worth the money that he's holding out for and will get from the Dockers...

Matthew Lueunberger = Josh Fraser is my honest feeling. Let's get Kruezer next year is also the only way to go.

I'm all for Cain being our sponsored player next season.

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dane's trolling again

Feeling or based on watching Leunberger?

He is nothing like Fraser

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

hows Fraser going these days?

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dane's trolling again

AGREE




AGREE!!!




KENOATH!!!



Can someone enlighten me as to who they think we should be taking as the Number 1 pick in the PSD?? WHo??? WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES?????


mmm...................silence.

Give the bloke a chance. Jesus, we gave SPorn, Prenda and Livo long enough.

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Confucius say "Virginity like bubble, one prick all gone"

Been watching him for the last few years after Port let him go and he is no good..I have seen him performing and thats why Stkilda have had ruck problems becuase they have hackers like Blake, Rix, Brooks and Ackland.
We used to give Stkilda our garbage...now we are getting theirs and paying top dollar for it...we accept 2nd and 3rd best now as being the normality of being a bottom club...we have become what the likes of Stkilda were...teams that we laughed at who made one mistake after another, recruited misfits and duds, had a culture of accepting 2nd best and not being professional...thats us now....I want to change that and will keep bagging the club if they keep perfomring in a mediocre fashion on and off the field.

Ackland is the result of not developing our own ruckman via youth....we had the chance to fix this problem when we could have recruited Wood, Maric etc as others have suggested...its just piss poor list management
and another symptom of what a bottom list club we have become....and how supporters are embracing this recruiting tragedy has me worried for the future.....

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

I don't see the recruiting of Ackland in any way stopping us from drafting a young ruck in the draft thsi year AND next. I see it as a positive sign as it hastens the departure of one of Bryan or Deluca or both.

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In WADA we trust

Oh I get it

support them like Mott

Like McLaren

like Angwin


Like Smith

Like.....

Look its not that big a hoo ha except we (the club) are making out it is, He is 196 - i do not care if he leaps like @#$%&! superman (okay maybe that would make it okay) he is too @#$%&! short. lets go and grab every slow, short midfieler we can while we are at it because obviously the game has not changed.

I'd take no one in the PSD before I'd take Ackland.

Because he adds nothing zip zilch zero seeet @#$%&! all to our problems

worse he adds to them we now have another short ruckman on a long contract! Great.

Please no more quick fixes that spring as many leaks as they plug. Just see the problem and plan to fix it properly.

We are a club not a @#$%&! dyke from some boyhood Dutch @#$%&! disneyland story!

If there are no ruckmen available - fine do not recruit a hack. Recruit good players only.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!