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I'm prepared to wait and see what Ackland does next season before getting cross, but I still fail to see why we'd commit so far out from the draft.


Exactly!


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Obviously there wasnt much available :cry:
It makes sense to get him now to start pre-season with the boys.
Hardly a signing to get enthused over but how many people were looking forward to Deluca and McLaren as our ruck duo.
Defimitely not a long term solution but our hands were tied to some extent when you look at the alternatives

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If we now delist Deluca .... Bryan not sure about but i dont like the idea of us having Deluca / Maclaren / Bryan / Ackland all together

If we do this maybe we will delist either Deluca and Bryan or both as we dont need all 4 on the list and then take a ruck prospect in the Draft either Renouf or Tippert or an outside option where there maybe another option

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Don't u understand! ... We r gunna use him as a decoy ... Gibbs/Murphy/Blackwell will rove to the opposition Ruckman. :lol:


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Word is McPhee knocked us back today and is about to re-sign from Essendon*.

Not too bad a signing, but we'll have to wait and see


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If we now delist Deluca .... Bryan not sure about but i dont like the idea of us having Deluca / Maclaren / Bryan / Ackland all together

If we do this maybe we will delist either Deluca and Bryan or both as we dont need all 4 on the list and then take a ruck prospect in the Draft either Renouf or Tippert or an outside option where there maybe another option


We will need Renouf and say Jacobs if you are getting rid of Deluca..we wont have a player anywhere near 200cm otherwise....we will need Kennards sponsoring us so we can rent a stepladder cheaply each week....
What are we going to do when we play teams who have real big ruckman and thst most of them.....maybe we can get Andrew Merrington or Trent Hotton back and make a complete farce of things.....

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garth p wrote:
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Welcome aboard Cain - I wish you all the best

Oh Cain also shows some aggression at times on the field - a trait we severely lack.

Our ruck stocks are now better than they were yesterday.



Bahahahahahahahahahaha

The only agression he showed whilst at St Kilda was when he pushed Blake .

Oh well fair exchange. We have your Judas and you now have ours .

But only one of them knows how to play football. :twisted: :roll: :garthp:


But only one can make it out onto the grouns though garth... not that im a fan of his.. but he will play more games of footy than this point on than Hamill.. who will need to be pushed out of the club but will cling on to every bit of his 1 million dollars left in his contract...


Very predictable response,and I very nearly referred to such a reply in my original post

I know which one was going to be playing more games for St Kilda in the next three years and it wasn't going to be Ackland.

The money bit in reference to Sammy is getting a tiny bit tiresome, and is absolute rubbish anyway.

Even on one leg he is still better and more value than anyone the Blues have on their list.

I suppose that was why Dennis was trying to get him to come back to the Blues.

I'm told he was offered the captancy last year as well, after Kossi knocked it back.

Anyway, Ackland is a dud and you are welcome to him. There are plenty better than him in the upcoming draft.




Hey garth you mental defective
Sammy Hamilll has only won a wizard wok since going to the saints. he may as well have stayed at carlton coz we got one of those as well. And as far as wooden spoons are concerned, theyre actually the most overrated piece of notoriety imagined. Does anyone actually give a stuff about how many wooden spoons the Bloods won or the old Roy boys. NO! In the end, we only care about ONE thing (sorry, you care about ONE thing, that ONE flag you won in 66). At Carlton, we can multitask and care about SIXTEEN things 95, 87, 82, 81, 79,.................

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Don't u understand! ... We r gunna use him as a decoy ... Gibbs/Murphy/Blackwell will rove to the opposition Ruckman. :lol:


Not much point starting them in the centre square then.....they can all start across half back cos thats where the ball will be after each centre bounce....

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
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Don't u understand! ... We r gunna use him as a decoy ... Gibbs/Murphy/Blackwell will rove to the opposition Ruckman. :lol:


Not much point starting them in the centre square then.....they can all start across half back cos thats where the ball will be after each centre bounce....


gees just give him a go. His not that bad.
I for one will say Welcome to the blues Cain.

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You guys really should get over Sammy


At $500K+ per year & collecting 54 kicks in 2006, I'm definately over the crippled money-bags hack.

At $9260 per kick, you're the one who'll need to get over him! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :garthp: :garthp: :garthp: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Why do this now? WHY?

Give him a @#$%&! training program, and tell him we'll draft him pick 1 in the PSD. It's not like the extra 6 weeks is going to help him remember our gameplan...

Meanwhile who knows what can happen. By tieing that pick up 6 weeks ahead of schedule what do we gain? Nothing

And a 3 year contract? We're havin a laugh...

Seriously can't understand it. We have pick 1. It's a bargaining position. Now I'm sure players aren't falling over themselves to get down to Royal Parade, but how does committing to Ackland help anyone...

I bet the saints are gutted. That's whay they fought so hard.

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Perhaps we need to look at it another way ...

Deluca maybe 202cm but is useless as a ruck if you saw how he has played when used in the ruck his height dosnt hide the fact he is no ruckman. Maclaren rucks better than Deluca.

Also i think we sometimes get ahead of ourselves this is the club that couldnt even get a Ted Richards or even Boltton (Major Hack) to the Blues for Campo.

We are not the Team thats attracting anything of major value Mcphee would have been great but he is going to sign up for a 2 year deal with the Bombers.

Acland is prob the first player we have gotten who has walked out of his club to get picked up in the PSD. Not the best ruck option but other than using first pick in the draft on Burger which i hope we have pencilled in Gibbs hey i guess Ackland will hopefully do enough to contest for our emerging Midfield.

Also with signing up Ackland one or both of Deluca or Bryan really need to go replace them with a prospect draft ruckman that can develope.

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To be fair to Cain you can't really leave him hanging.

He's got an offer on the table from St Kilda, why would he wait on the chance we might offer him one in 6 weeks time?

From our perspective, we know McPhee is unlikely to sign with us, we need to draft a ruckmanso we make a choice between Ackland Keating McDonald and whoever else is available. We decide Ackland is the best....why would we wait and miss out on the ruckman we've decided is the best available?

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How do we know the CFC is using pick one? Perhaps they'll use pick 17 (or whatever their second pick is).

Perhaps that's why it's three years and ridiculous amounts of money (if, in fact, it is loads of moolah). Put a high price on that allows him to slip to our second pick

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Very very very disappointed but now that he is a Blue I'll be behind him of course, we just gotta move on even though it's a prick of a decision by the board.

Such decision after such a positive month for us, oh well, back to normal I guess :lol: :?


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What a joke. Dylan McLaren and Cain Ackland, what a duo :roll:


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not defending Ackland he has been signed up and yer 3 years seems 1 year to long maybe that was only way he would leave the Saints.

Anyway we have mixed feelings of if he is a good or bad pickup but who we gonna get
Some people really think that there are players knocking down the doors to come to the blues .. .Yes they will in the next couple of year when we have the new breed of Murphy / Gibbs / Simmo / Kennedy / Fev /Betts / bower / Russell things will change

We prob offered Mcphee a 3 year deal and got knocked back and will stay at the Bombers for 2 years so at moment we really not able to attract much high talent in the PSD.

I dont think its where we have finished but more to do with how the club is percieved .. ie a mess in how it has been run financially struggling ... unstable coaching panel and some pretty poor media coverage.

so we need to be realistic in that we havnt beeen a really good option for players of any real standing to come to excpet Stevo and that was pure luck.

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Synbad wrote:
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now that we're done complaining (i hope) and it is understandable that this may not haev been the right choice but can we focus on what kind of a player ackland is? we know his short and can pinch hit up forward? but what are his strengths, what are the positives he will bring to the cfc next year?


He has no real positives to bring to this club next year ( not unlike your good self at the moment Synbad ) ... nothing the year after.. and nothing the year after that. ( also not unlike your good self unless your attitude changes) .. but we will have to keep him for the three years or pay him out... "But noone will understand what those draft penalties have done to this club "... we are into the third year of a five year sentence".. blah blah blah....


How times change, I haven’t posted in here before so my virgin post isn’t going to go down well I suspect. My last post was on another forum a year or so ago. and i have to say i actually used to enjoy reading your posts Synbad. But F%&*%$ me all Ive read from you whilst surveying this site which is a damn good forum ( congrats to the all of you) has been utter negativity. I dont know whats gotten your bones out of joint but i dont think ive read one positive post from you in here. And i know your habitual response will be that there is nothing positive to comment on. And there in lies the essence of your attitude, theres been positives and there will continue to be, but when a so called passionate supporter does nothing but bag the hell out of everything that comes out of the club its more likely that same supporters priority is his own self promotion. Now your not ever going to be recognised by the president the coach or the players for having been the visionary of our time so just sit back relax and let the people that know more than you do their thing. hey thats what lifes about enjoy the ride.


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To be fair to Cain you can't really leave him hanging.

He's got an offer on the table from St Kilda, why would he wait on the chance we might offer him one in 6 weeks time?

From our perspective, we know McPhee is unlikely to sign with us, we need to draft a ruckmanso we make a choice between Ackland Keating McDonald and whoever else is available. We decide Ackland is the best....why would we wait and miss out on the ruckman we've decided is the best available?


Agreed. He may not be exactly what we need, but he's probably the best readymade ruckmen available. And as for timing and contract length, I assume they needed to commit to him now, and offer him a 3 year deal to provide sufficient inducement to come across.

I can't imagine picking Ackland up would make any difference to the club's intention of picking up a young ruckman in the National Draft.

And besides, we've picked him up for free. One advantage of finishing on the bottom. It would obviously have been nice to get an all-Australian talent like McPhee across. But presumably once he knocked us back, Ackland became the next best option.

Not ecstatic or overexcited, but moderately pleased with picking up Ackland.


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Next year we will have:

Murphy
Gibbs
Walker
Simpson
Stevens
Scotland
Blackwell
Bentick
Carrazzo

A midfield with talent and potential. Along with Fev, it is probably our best asset.

If we can provide a contest in the ruck (something I don't think Bryan and DeLuca can do) then these guys have a chance.

It's really disappointing that Sandilands and Cox have decided to push on for premiership honours rather than coming to Carlton, so we'll just have to settle for Ackland.

Carlton must draft a ruckman, they must continue to develop Aisake and they must fill the 2 rookie spots left vacant with ruckmen.

In 2009 we must have a genuine quality ruckman ready to go.

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