nah, the filter can cope with that... its the "Carr Brothers" contingency

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How about when Hawthorn traded selection 6 for Danny Jacobs? No question Thornton is at least the player Jacobs is, so it's a more than valid comparison.

Hawthorn has created a rod for its own back, and now the other clubs are holding them to account; as they should.

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Hawthorn can go eat shit and die

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Hey, it's easier to shoot down trades than it is to think them up, so congrats on having the balls to do it.

I can't help thinking that with the Hawks wanting Thornton, and Everitt wanting to leave the Hawks for Syndey, that some sort of three way deal would be possible if we were prepared to talk to the other clubs.

Lets face facts, Thornton will not be at CFC next year no matter what happens,If they do not want to be here then we trade him on for whatever.After the thornturd saga, The club must make a press release stipulating that we only want players at CFC who want to be here and play for us,if not then we will work with you in order to help you @#$%&! off, and stop wasting our time and the supporters membership money ( to line your own pockets ) pretending you have ticker for this club.

What do you guys think.

In the current environment, I'm worried that if we restrict the list to players who want to be here, we might not have any players left.

Those inter forum matches may suddenly take on an increased significance!

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Unfortunately that has to happen in order for us to move ahead.

Ah, trade week.... Such angst from the Bluebloods.

Apologies to any angry Blue fans under the age of 25, but I have to say that the Carlton reaction to the Thornton Saga is absolutely hilarious. Don't forget your club spent the best part of 3 decades doing exactly what you're all now bagging Hawthorn for. Diesel Williams for Minton-Connell... Number 2 pick for Warren McKenzie... Matty Lappin... O'Reilly... Mansfield... Hogg... Marchesani... Rhys-Jones... Barassi...

Wake up! Thornton is an average footballer - he is okay in defence. Hawthorn badly needs a full back and also sees this as a good chance to turn the screws at Carlton. What do you expect? That every other club should leave you alone, let you underpay your stalwarts and rebuild quietly?

All this talk about what Hawthorn got for Jon Hay or what they paid for Jacobs is rubbish. How can you compare past deals and past drafts? North gave a fair bit for Hay because it was a weak draft last year, plus they thought they were getting an All-Australian 6'5" defender. They thought it was simply a matter of getting his body right. Thornton is no All-Australian defender.

Your club is entitled to tell Hawthorn to piss off, just as Hawthorn is entitled to offer what they think is fair. And Thornton is entitled to go wherever he sees fit, including the PSD. It's living in the past to suggest he is disloyal or has bad character merely because he wants more pay or wants to leave an unstable, losing environment.

Why bother getting angry because people like Everitt see greener pastures? Why get angry about Pelchen driving a hard bargain? Isn't this all just part of the game? You all know there a big problems at Carlton. Scapegoating the principals in trade week is simply a case of misguided anger. Hawthorn is not the reason Thornton wants to leave. Carlton is.

Quite frankly, I hope he stays where he is. Your asking price is ridiculous and I'd hate to see Essendon* profit from all of this.

You wouldn't be any fun sitting next to at the football either.

Is the ghost of Kevin Heath wearing a Carlton or Hawthorn jumper?

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@#$%&! off you second rate ghost of a third rate memory!

from the real ghost

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-index. ... evin+Heath

We should get the ghost useful and add some more to this profile.

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I recall reading that Kevin Heath was Carlton's best buy since the first truck load of bricks that were used to build the "George Harris Stand".

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Quite frankly, I think most Carlton supporters would rather see Thornton go to anywhere but Hawthorn - regardless if we got nothing for him. Your clubs recruiting tactics, arrogance and the offers presented to date leave us in utter contempt of your club.

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There are elements of truth in what Heath Ghost says, but that's not what I've been driving at. The perspective I've been looking at is the precedent established by Hawthorn for the Thornton trade. It's no good saying that the Hay deal is irrelevant, as he was hardly in 'All-Australian' form, and just about everyone, except North Melbourne, thought Hawthorn got well over the odds for him.

How can we compare past trades and drafts? Well, it's easy, and the Jacobs trade was a perfect example, but I note that you don't address that in your response, except to say the comparison is rubbish. If that comparison is invalid, then how can comparing trade practices from the '70's and '80's be even mentioned?

While we Carlton supporters might be miffed at the position our club is in, it doesn't mean we can't ask for an advantageous or equitable trade from Hawthorn. If Hawthorn want to live in the mercenary '80's, then so be it, but they seem to be finding other clubs not so keen to deal with them.

Finally, you write that Hawthorn's not the reason Thornton wants to leave; Carlton is, but it's a two way street amigo. If Hawthorn didn't put up a deal to him in the first place, then he wouldn't be so adamant he wants to go to Arctic Park. On top of that, Thornton's manager is now suggesting the player will put a $500K price tag on his head, based on a one year contract.

Surely that implies a front-loaded agreement with Hawthorn, and that just might be called draft tampering.

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Excellent point here from Buzz...if he's not traded, and he doesn't have a problem with the coach (which seemed to be the only plausible explanation given what was said), then he will HAVE to sign for what Carlton offered him because his teammates will lose respect for him - given that he would be on the 2nd highest salary at the club (if 450K is used - behind Fev).

If he has no beef with Pagan (if Ox is correct), then if no trade is offered, I'm confident he will sign on what Carlton offered him to match Hawthorn.

If he insists on leaving then, it will be all about the money and the vitriol to which he has been subjected to is in a sense justified and he's welcome to leave in the PSD. The thing could still go wrong for Hawthorn; even if we don't draft him back, Essendon* could...

However, he can't sign until after trade week, otherwise it will make his manager and him look rather poor.

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So... Where you living these days, good Doctor?

I guess you couldn't have foreseen Fremantle's stupidity, Doc!

Won't be at CFC next year "no matter what happens" hey?

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What do you guys think?

THREAD TITLE CHANGE!!!

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