What a charming couple Hawthorn and Thornton are turning out to be. Thornton will go all out to get to Hawthorn, while clearly not giving a rat's clack about the club that got him to where he is today. And Hawthorn clearly are only interested in Win/Lose deals and leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Thornton's a far better player than Hay, so a couple of first round selections would appear to be the absolute minimum.

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The way we are going - are we going to have a footballer who would be prepared to sit out of football for 12 months?

If we redraft him - I can't see him playing - yet he'd have to stay on the list.

If he doesn't play then we don't owe him any money. We can still trade him at the end of his year of protest.

Realistically I doubt he'd commit career suicide like that.

We threaten to take TBird in the PSD but we don't take him. Absolute folly to take this loser via PSD. The damage has been done. Let's attempt to get some QUALITY via the PSD if we can.

Quite simple, we tell Thornton's manager that we WILL take the best available player in the PSD regardless of who it happens to be.

If its Spida - we take him etc etc . Put the pressure on them. Then after trade week finishes and he is the best available we tell him we'll be taking him, so he ups his price and stuffs up his contract for a one year deal and we decide to take someone else.

Then the dorks have to take a bloke on 1 year $450k season and Thornton has to hope that he doesn't do his knee

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If there is no trade this week and Carlton committs to taking him in the PSD and pay him what he is after, he will have to sign before the PSD to prevent looking like a dick to his teammates and to help the club snare another uncontracted player

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You would hope so, but part of that deal would probably involve a commitment to getting him traded at the end of that contract.

How is pick 6 in a "superdraft" anything like picks 14 and 18 in an average draft? The one has no relevance to the other.

As I've stressed a number of times now, you cannot ignore the fact that one of those first round picks actually came from Port Adelaide (not the Kangaroos), and also involved Daniel Motlop, Nathan Lonie and another pick. So to simplify it the way you have is just inaccurate.

You guys believe that Thornton is worth pick 6 because he is the most important ingredient in your back half and you want to be adequately compensated for him. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that pick 6 is a fair trade, because he wouldn't hold as important a role at Hawthorn. He helps, sure, but we'll get by without him.

I think it would be fair to say that nothing will happen with Thorton until the Everitt deal is sorted out.

Mate you can dress it up anyway you want but you are trading for a fullback. After he gets to Glenferrie you can sit him on the bench all game for all we care if that's where he "fits in your structure", but he's still a fullback.

A good young fullback is worth at least pick 6 in an average draft. Now this is not an average draft, so obviously there needs to be compesation on your side of the equation, but pick 6 is the correct base for these negotiations. The base is not pick 24, not unless you can get another 1st round pick to go with it.

I'm trying to lurk peacefully here, and this guy is really giving me the shits.

No @#$%&! idea.

"you can't count hte other first rounder because it came from Port and we tipped in bugger-all as well to get it"

"he won't be important to us, but we'll pay him a $1mill over 3 years"

See, Laza, your'e the reason why people are starting to hate Hawthorn.

TROLL

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because Thornton's a 22 YO 100 gamer with 10 years ahead. Hay is.......well we all know what Hay is

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Hawthorn won't get anything for Everitt either!!!!!

NOT SO BOLD PREDICTION:

- Everitt goes into the draft
- Thornton re-signs with us sometime after the draft
- We land polak in a trade involving Russell

EVERYONE WINS (ie, not Hawthorn)

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That's right and Laza is right also, Thornton's not worth pick 6, he's wirth pick 10 or 12 so off you troddle and find either of those and we'll happily do business.

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agreed

I'd tip in 17 as well if they'll put 6 on the table

but they won't because Pelchen has his head up his arse.

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Pull the other one! Every full forward in the comp marks the calender when they play Hawthorn so they can encourage family and friends to go and see them have a blinder. Nothing will happen with Thornton even after Everitt is traded because Carlton aren't dealing with you.

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So we can't count the Hay deal as two first rounders?

Okay - you go get us another first rounder from a third club, we'll add Trent Sporn and we'll pretend it's only one first rounder this year too.

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Can someone tell me if the dorks are so set on a defender, why the @#$%&! don't they talk to the dockers?? Seems the attitude of Polak would slot right in to the whole hawthorn philosophy

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Maybe the Dockers are wary of Hawthorn's way of doing business (Hodge/Croad etc.)?

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Polak's career hit the skids after Croad left

Interesting.....

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The players were hurt. They lose 18-19 games a year. Maybe that's why they want to leave.