Well what do you expect when the hawks recruiting wanker virtually saying they will give us nothing for him pick maybe 100 or something ( thats what it sounded like ) before the trade period. We are saying, right you arrogant pricks if this is your tact fk you. We will not deal with you and the next step is come back to us with something realistic or do no waste our time and play games. And as i said before he puts a price on his head we match it and we have pick 1 in the PSD Let him rot in the Bullants 2nds. IT would be worth the money. I would even donate to his contract.

Ok, putting myself up to be shot down here...

I know we're all very emotional about all this, but for the life of me, what has Hawthorn done wrong in all this?

They talked with a player coming out of contract to see if he was interesting in coming to play for them, just as all clubs have an obligation to do, and JUST AS WE WOULD EXPECT CARLTON TO DO WITH ANY OTHER PLAYERS COMING OUT OF CONTRACT THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN.

They got some great deals in the past, good luck to them. Not their fault that North were idiots. WE ALL WISH CARLTON COULD HAVE ENGINEERED DEALS LIKE THAT.

They have offered Thornton $300k a year...if that's what they want to pay, and can afford to, good luck to them.

They have said that pick 6 is not on the table, as they should have said as a starting negotiating point, and JUST AS WE WOULD ALL WANT CARLTON TO DO.

We don't even know what they have offered as yet, or if they have even put a deal on the table, so we can't be critical of that.

Hawthorn have done nothing other than what they are obliged to do for the club and its members, nothing more, nothing less.

Thornton has chosen to leave, for whatever reasons... that's his choice. I don't see why Hawthorn is being vilified in all this. They will make an offer...Carlton will accept it or reject it, simple.

Righto...take aim

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I dont think Sheedy orLaidley would let him get to the Dawks in the PSD. So if T-Dick wants to go to hawks and they want him, they will have to deal.

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T E A M

cos they have shit colours
a stupid song
ex players as flower in the media
and a prick as president!


but they did give Geelong and Adelaide Gary Ayers

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Carlton have rejected it, simple

Did i not read McConnel state in the newspaper the other day that the offers were the same between Hawthorn and Carlton? Pretty sure I did as it filled up the first 50+ pages on this thread.

So why the is McConnel telling the world on SEN that our offers were way below expectations tonight?

I told you its all about the money. Money hungry fools, good luck paying over board for Thornton Hawks.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

Yes, I know that. Doesn't answer my question though.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

The impression that I get Mjonc is that Carlton's initial offer was insulting. I had a discussion with Teddy a few days ago, saying that I didn't think it was good business to offer a player something low for a contract in the hope that you get away with paying less than they're worth. You put people off side that way. I think that you need to treat players with respect all the way through, while still being appropriately business-savvy.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Why so much hatred now for the Hawks. I saw it coming some 65 pages ago! Hawthorn - very arrogant, self indulgent love me do's who believe that the rest of the footy teams exist solely to accomodate their youth policy. F### them. Pay the piper!!

Give us a short question and we will give you an answer. Keep it simple please.

Apologies if I have been convoluted, was simply trying to explain my thinking. Ok, simple question, what has Hawthorn done, that we at Carlton wouldn't expect our own club to do, that makes so many on here vilify them so ruthlessly? I just don't understand why people are so pissed off at Hawthorn. I would be delighted if Carlton was approaching things in the way Hawthorn is, and has been for the last few years.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I don't have a problem with how Hawthorn do their business but seeing as they are trying to screw us over they can get f#$%ed.

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Do you know what they have offered us?

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Let's say each club has a "trade-o-meter" for this sort of thing that gauges their interest.

Carlton: 8/10
Hawthorn: 6/10
Sydney: 3/10

Sydney should start talking to Essendon* or the Kangas about their 2nd rounder... I'm sure there's a few guys who might be interested in going to seek a few more games.

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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Just said on Ch. 10 news that Hawthorn will FRONTLOAD his contract to get him PSD.

For example:

Thornton nominates PSD demanding 1 year contract of 450k, then they'll sign him up at end 2007 for 2 years at less (eg. 200-250k).

That means to re-pick him we'll have to pay through the roof then lose him again.

We're gonna get screwed over here.

I don;t care if Pagan is more brutal than Gengis Khan, Thornton is screwing us over. He has been shown to lack character in this episode. Very frustrating.

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Update on the afl site:

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=302497

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YARRAN!!





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Not pick 6

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

LOL

If he's on a one-year contract someone the Hawks will probably try to re-sign him on a crappy deal and he'll ask to be traded to a club willing to pay more money.....

Wont happen.
That would be a players dream. Sign a one year contract for 450., have a good season then tell te Dawks "If you want me to sign, more I need 350-400." No club would be that stupid. Its a threat by the Dawks to pressure Calron.
Means to me that they are keen to deal. A good sign in my eyes

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Because we bleed Navy Blue and take it as an insult an so we should.Whether right or wrong. I do not think you hurt enough. Tell us all how we should react. Oh no Hawthorn want our player we will let them have him for nicks, hang on we will just check with the AFL if we can lay down for the hawks as we have for them.

We spend 3/4 of our time in this site vilifying our own club and some of us get upset if we pick on anyone else. Oh how sad we are.