Should we still consider re-drafting him in the PSD if he's that determined to leave?

Bret Thornton tug of war

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Fire Pagan before trade week and he'll stay I reckon.

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- Igor Stravinsky

For those questioning the credibility of The Age/HUN reports regarding Thornton's relationship with Pagan, check Preacher's post and then check Preacher's post about Bentick's shoulder

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Just not worth it. He doesn't want to stay, so let him leave. But if he's not a complete f*ckbag, he'll do right by the club and be traded rather than walk into the PSD.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I'd even offer to pay 100k of thorntons salary if that happened - wouldnt begrudge the doggies a flag and it would shaft the hawks for trying to poach our players

The only thing Thornton hasn't done that i wouldn't blame him if he punched the person signing him in my view,that's a insult what he has been offered,no wonder he wants to walk,he isn't demanding a Camporeale/Silvagni/
Koutafides salary of old, just respect for what he has done at 22 and nearly 100 games, taking on the hardest position.

Would you stay at a job,that looks like your dont get along with your boss,that would be Pagan,there seems something going on there with players i must admit now after that comment about not wanting to talk with him.

The other thing it's not the club Carlton he can't stand,it's the people running the club, it's a mess,they have no idea and are now insulting the young players with that contract that are the most important to the club.

Money, money, money. Fancy the Hawks coming out saying he has the cultural and character traits they are after when he has just pissed down the back on his former club

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html

"Under no circumstances will we trade away our top pick," Hawthorn recruitment manager Chris Pelchen said.

"Bret will bring so much stability to our back half and he stands for what we want culturally and character-wise. We believe a deal will be done."

Even better article by Stephen Reilly. What the hell does this mean?

"Malouf, McConville and Thornton met to discuss the proposal on Thursday, when it is believed there was embarrassing confusion over the details of Carlton's upgraded offer."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 32028.html

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Look at it this way, no matter where he goes, he has to play on Fev when we play them.....lol.....Fev will tear him a new a.

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Not playing hard ball and getting what we are after here would be an interesting signal to the Fraser Brown board push.

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My Blue Heaven

Makes the push for the acquisition of the services of Mr. Polak from the West a bit more interesting.

I think Setanta/Hartlett are capable of playing Thornton's role for the time being, with Flint groomed for the long term role.

Hit the weights Flinty, and i don't mean Jarrad.

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Just how far away would other young players be from Thornton's level of development ?

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My Blue Heaven

No doubt that those players are behind his level of development, but we don't really have a choice at the moment, thus the need to bring in someone who has experience playing a key back role.

A graham polak/brad miller type player....


three way trade? thornton to hawks, a player and a pick to melbourne and Miller and 2nd round pick to navy blue?

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We cant be developing players to have them walk out the door!
Camporeale and Fevola wanted out last year.
Whitnall the year before.
Thornton and Russell this year.
And they are only the ones we hear about.

The responsibility is on Carlton to create an environment where players arent looking to escape from!
We had the opportunity to conduct a comprehensive external review of the football department and took the soft option again.
Throwing rocks at Bret Thornton makes us feel better but it doesnt address the real issues.

We should have an environment which players want to join, not one which players want to leave.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

The Pagan coaching culture is the root of the problem.

change this and many other things fall into place.

If Pagan had been sacked, Thornton would have re signed.

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i just read the articles and i think we find the truth why thornton is leaving. Try this on for size - Instability, strained relationship with coach etc.

The decision not to remove pagan is going to cost us more than the 1.2m to pay him out.

That board and coaching team is a cancer to this club. They collectively have ripped out the heart and sole of this once great club.

Another point, has any of our "leadership group" actually tried to contact bret, where the hell is the captain (i know we havent appointed one but kouta still can pick up the phone and go see and have a chat to him).

Pagan and board room upheaval is an easy excuse. Name me one player who has left because of Pagan and gone on to be a star or have some influence in a finals team? That includes his time at North Melbourne.

You'll find it hard as their aint many is their.

Reward comes to those who stick together through thick and thin times.

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pagan and the board is not a "lame excuse". If you read the article it states our offer to thornton was similiar to hawthorns.

Name you players - Campo, Murphy, Allan . And at North - McKernan

Name the star or player who had influence in finals from that lot? McKernan has his problems with Denis, but still won a flag, should of won a brownlow, Rising Star award and did win the Best and Fairest.

Try again.

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