I see it as a person without the commitment and dedication to a cause. Fancy leaving your mates and exciting times ahead for a lousy $35-50k.

Pagan had the easy option handed to him on a plate last month, but he stayed. As much names and comments people have made on Pagan, at least he has shown loyalty and committment to the cause.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

The Sole Emoticon will be most upset to hear that

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no worries mate ... post on!!!

I swear I hit '8' , but I'm not editing it - I think it is kind of 'cool' and very funny that Richmond ends up with that pick.

Let the games begin

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People, Bret has made the decision then so be it. It sucks but that life.
The dawks need to consider two things given that both Bret and them want to form ties - one is that they DESPERATELY require a defensive KP, two is they were party to a trade involving two 1st round picks for an ageing full back who is probably not even VFL standard.

It is irrelevant about the quality of the draft, that is a subjective argument

Now, the ball is in the dawks court. They need to make it happen. They are trying to acquire a 23 y.o KP defender with 91 games experience under his belt, with the best years of his career in front of him. A player who has done remarkably well in an under-performing team manning up the best forwards in the game. Folks, Bret has genuine trade value. Lets not make any mistakes about it.

So, given all this and the fact that the onus is on the dawks to facilitate a trade then pick 6 is definitely not out of the question. So please stop acting like it is!
They have stockpiled top 20 picks over the last 3 years and can afford to relinquish one this year given their young list. I'll be happy to throw in pick 19 (not 17) as well. A trade involving pick 6 in some sort of combination is the only trade I want Carlton to be looking at as a minimum. No soft cocking on this!!!

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Why does he want a fresh start...can we get to the cause of this?

300K is a fair deal for Thornton...150K base payment is an insult...I would be leaving based on that crap offer...nearly 100 games and coming off one of my best years I would have had my manager doing what Thornton has done and thats looking after my interests...
Denis has show loyalty?.......those racehorses cost....

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KK and others....quick reminder, you can't on-trade a player...only picks and you can't trade p[icks without a player being involved...

We can't end up with Everitt and then trade him to Sydney...would have to be a 3 way from the start...


Besides we're trading pick 1 to Adelaide or Port

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Looking forward to him lining up on Fev

IIRC those rules have changed, so that just picks can be traded. Not sure about on-trading players though???

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Dear Brett
I've watched you for five years and thought that you may make a pretty good player one day, sadly that day never arrived while you were at Carlton, and to tell you the truth it probably won't arrive wherever you end up. Why? Because you are no good. You are continually beaten to the ball, easily shrugged off in a one-on-one contest and are always quick to blame someone else for your opponent getting a shot on goal. Unfortunately Brett, you like many a player before you have been caught up in the 'hype' that your manager created. Well done to your manager, he pockets a nice 20+% of your over-the-top salary but the fact remains that you will struggle. Remember Brett you are no longer a one club player, you won't get your name on the locker and in reality are not welcome back at Carlton. Anyway Brett, all the best at Gleneferrie, or is it Mulgrave, or is it Hobart, or is it Davenport or Burnie - I can never keep up with the Hawks movements. I'm sure the Hawks will provide that warm and loving environment that you so obviously require in order to get your "passion" back for the game - just ask Nathan Thompson and Jonny Hay for their thoughts!

Appreciate that Mrs. Caz......................and your probably right.

But concern are two-fold.

#1. Why does Thornton want to leave, if it's not because of money?

& #2. How do we stop other youngsters (such as Murphy, Kennedy, (*Gibbs?*), Bower, Walker, Simpson, etc) from being the next 'Annual' Carlton player to crack the shits at the club come seasons end and wanna walk.

Lappin (05'), Campo (05'), Thornton (06'), Fisher (06'), Kouta (06'), Lance (04 & 05'), Fev (05'),

All of those players above have had some kind of problems renewing their contracts with Carlton over the past 2 years................they can't all be 'money-hungry' bastards!

There must be a problem.

Forget the picks for Thornton................I wanna know why year-after year-after year more and more players want out of Carlton! Becuase if we do not address this problem then our so-called 're-building' phase is pretty much a waste of time.

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If we're looking at a 3 way with Sydney with Everitt then we could do worse than looking at Malceski. That kid is going to burn this year. I would love him in our midfield.

Thornton to Hawthorn

Everitt to Sydney with pick 24

Malceski (worth a top 20) and 24 (on traded) to Carlton.

Swans get Everitt and lose Malceski.

Hawks get Thornton and lose Everitt (who wants out) and a second round pick.

Carlton lose Thornton (who wants out) and pick up a midfielder hitting his straps in Malceski and another pick in the top 25.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Hawthorn, you son of a bitch.

Carlton should never had let it get to this.

The lowest I have felt for Carlton since the Draft penalities and both were self imposed. Before I was lenient on my thoughts for the board, but now that it has greatly affected our list, our club management sucks, worst in the AFL.

Fu** it, let's pick him up in the PSD.

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Happy to believe you Bill,

but did they change the rules? I know this is seven hundred years ago, but I remember we traded Cavedon (I think) for Darren Kappler, and then sent Kappler and Minton-Connell to the Swans for Diesel. Kappler ended up being a Carlton player for about 10 minutes!

Straight swap for pick 6.

The Hawks got rid of 27 year old KPP's for two first round draft picks. Thornton's 23 and will give them up to 8 or 9 years service.

I'd ask for Pick 6 and their third round pick as a negotiating strategy and then accept pick 6 only because it is a high pick in a good draft. WH identified 6 top line draftees, that'll give us a crack at two of them, and if we were really lucky and the cards fell our way Gibbs + Leuenberger (yes, unlikely, but at worst case two of the 6 gun players as identified by WH).

Hawthorn shouldn't be surprised at that given their recent trade history, and will probably be easily able to sell it to their fans given the wins they've had plus the amount of kids on their list.

Ironic though, that the thing that we want, established players under 24, is leaving rather than joining.

We've got to lay it out there for the Hawks. Pick 6 or @#$%&! off.

Let them get a replacement 1st rounder from somewhere else if they want one.

If we don't demand pick 6 I can guarantee we won't get it. If we do... during crazy trade week anything is possible.

Really not as devastated as I expected. Still.

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Congratulations CK95

Has Bret Thornton himself actually said he wants to leave? Or is it just his manager that has made these comments?

For example, I believe Fish never had any intention of going anywhere and was a bit embarassed by the kerfuffle about him getting into the media.

The media's job is to sell advertising by writing articles that sell papers.

The manager's job is to get the best deal for their player (and in a few cases get their name up in lights).

Most of the time, the player just wants to play footy at the club he is already at!

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