Is this going to be a common theme every time our players come up for a new contract we insult them so it ends up in the papers? Lappin, Campo, Whitnall, Kouta, the Fev trade fiasco and now these two, who the f#$% would want to play for our club?

I feel sick

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Everyone plays their contract negotiations though the media. It's smart business. It's about putting yourself out there to get the best deal and forcing the incumbent club to match other club's offers. I'm sure there are clubs out there that would offer Thornton a 3 year deal at $300,000 per year. and given our defence we can't really be losing those kinds of players.

Fish is a good prospect when he learns how to kick and manages to get out onto the ground on a regular basis. How many games has he played in the last 2 years anyone know ?

Absolute bollocks.

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Probably none for his size though. Makes him a very dangerous 3rd tall (once his kicking improves........hopefully), especially if we very get a decent running midfield.

Bollocks nothing. You obviously are very naive or don't read papers. It's one of the best marketing tools. One of the oldeest tracks used by players and managers. Most players have very little intention of changing clubs but they use the media to bump up their market value by fielding better offers from other clubs. Means the incumbent club has to match it, or at least go close. If you were in the same boat you'd do the same thing.

Yes! Apparently I said and thought all those things.
And whats more, my lips didnt move.

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They do if they're not happy with their offer. See Franklin and Lucas.

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He have done nothing to foster a culture that would give Thornton or Fisher a reason to stick around. That Whitnall and Kouta earn more, were captains and the other likely to become Captain is laughable.

I'm praying for our sake that there's a bit of Carlton sentiment in Thornton and Fisher, because there's no way I can see Carlton as a company worth working for.

We're put out as supporters..... but there's only so much shit we can heap on our employees before some of them want out.

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Goddard didn't...

And how do you know he was unhappy with his offer ? Maybe the Saints gave him reasonable compensation first-up.

Yeah, fair enough, but try and see the point before jumping up and down.

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I have no drama with the "in the press" negotiation stuff

Carlton pretty much don't deserve any residual loyalty from these players.

We inflict an despotic fool on them as coach, we shit on their development by repeating the same jobs over and over, and then pay them the ultimate insult by promoting and overpaying old fat-cats while offering them peanuts.

I think we should thank our lucky stars if they re-sign at all, because we've given them every reason not to want to.

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i don't ... but who is ever happy with the first offer? point is, we wouldn't know as he didn't go to the media... and a lot of players don't

I suspect we're all boxing at shadows .... hope so anyway. But agree we have to negotiate reasonable deals for all concerned.

Thornton would have to be - ongoing - the most demoralised backman in league footy - through very little fault of his own.

If I was him it's not just extra money I'd be looking for - it would be the chance to play in a functioning and occasionally winning team.

I'd love to see him stick it out but I'd not blame him for bailing if it was a good offer.

They'll get signed we don't need to worry about that. The point is why put the insulting offer on the table if you're going to cave anyway? We're pretending to play hardball, it's pathetic.

The thing I find interesting about all this and tend to side with Jarusa is that we have one guy who was pick 70 odd and yet to string a dozen games together and another guy who was given a go through the rookie list and has been part of the worst defence on the league for the last 4 years . Both trying to hold the club to ransom on contracts . How good do they think they are and if the club caves in whats going to happen in 3-4 years time when Eddie is offering Kennedy a million Murphy has just won the brownlow and Gibbs was runner up and has a 750k offer from Adelaide on the table.

they will be saying hey you give that skinny guy who cant play out the season 300k and that tantrum chucker who had to get the fat guy to cover for him 300k we must be worth a million each

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I also tend to argree with Jars.

Thornton has been a necessity because we have no one else...lets hope hartlett can stay fit.

fisher??? good mark cant kick.....bye bye.

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