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Ranked 30th at the club out of 31 players who played 5 or more games. Only Saddington had less. And Fisher was 29th as one of 3 who average less than one tackle per game.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tr-c ... t=TA&st=TA

17th in the AFL for 1%ers.
The only Carlton player in the top 50.
But I suppose you and Jars didnt want to mention that one, hey?

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/pla ... t=LT&fc=E9

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Thornton was hardly beaten this year and would be a more than handy addition to any side. He's one of the best backmen in the comp.

Yep....our defence is Thornton and........................................?

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Yes. You are right. I missed Jonathon Brown. That makes 11.

What about the ones that went out of bounds on the full or the ones from 35m out that never made the distance? Add them in and his reliability in front of goal comes back to about 30%.

Bit lower on averages though Blue Vain.

... and well behind Zac Dawson, bet you didn't want to mention that one, hey?

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/pla ... t=LA&fc=E9

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By the way I think that Fish should be signed on for another 2 years. It is just that at the moment he is a good-ordinary player... nothing more. Thornton should get 3 years. He is our most reliable defender, but not in the star class yet. We still have a way to go to get a team chock full of them.

Before or after the reconstruction?

Whitnall and Walker both played well in defence this year.

I suppose I am talking after reconstruction. That is the most relevant isn't it? Who cares what a guy did 3 or 4 years ago?

Burton I reckon is a freak of a mark but the rest take the majority of thei marks on leads because they are the go 2 guys. For judgement on where to put mits Fisher is superb.He has the rare gift of judging the ball in the air. What makes you think Josh Fraser is such a good mark. Most of his are of the cheap and easy variety.Bottom line Mallee we have to keep Fish.

It's important to chart history in order to project into the future, which is what is done when drafting a contract that will span several years.

No more lengthy contracts.

Yes. 22nd in the AFL Jar.
We shouldnt tolerate that, should we?
Being reigning premiers with the best list in the AFL and all!

Lets sack the lazy bastard!!!!

And dont mention that Judd bloke to me. He couldnt make the top 30.

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Burton I reckon is a freak of a mark but the rest take the majority of their marks on leads because they are the go 2 guys. For judgement on where to put the mits Fisher is superb.He has the rare gift of judging the ball in the air. What makes you think Josh Fraser is such a good mark. Most of his are of the cheap and easy variety.Bottom line Mallee we have to keep Fish.

You're welcome to think Thornton is a superstar.

I just think he is a good player, that is all. I take offence at him (and others) taking their contract negotiations to the media.

If you are happy with that then fine.

If you are happy that he has one of the lowest tackle counts for any defender in the comp then more power to you. Just let him go, no need to work on that at all.

If Thornton is still playing KPP in 3 years for Carlton we will still be on the bottom of the ladder.

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The marking aspect, especially up forward, is like gold. Makes a pr1ck of a match-up for a stretched opposition defence finding someone to mind the 3rd marking option (ala Brad Pearce). Imagine how he would be with a good, hard running midfield in front of him. Like Stewie Loewe, he can be taught to kick. The initial key is to get the damn thing first. No good being able to kick it if you can't get it. As Jack Dyer said.........."no good being where the ball aint". At 22 you wouldn't be trading him, or anyone else of that age or younger decent, for a pick. Be like starting 4 years of work all over again waiting for the new player to develop, and then hope he got to Fish's standard. Couldn't imagine a 3rd rounder marking it as well as he does. We could only lose.

Yeah but......the opposition wouldn't be shitting themselves planning against our defence.

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I hate how the article reads that their is a better offer out their for him, stupid comment. Alot of AFL players would get more at different clubs because they know you have to pay over the odds to get players at times.
Eg. Nick Stevens.