Surrey Blue wrote



Exactly Surrey. We just have to put these type of players in positions we can get the most out of them. Having him in the forwardline, when the ball isn't delivered properly to him, let alone the fact that the ball doesn't get down there as much as it would for Adam Hunter does not imply that he's not good enough to be there. He's a freak. You can't compare Waites (lack) of opportunity with Tarrant who has had ample opportunity delivered to him on a platter from his midfield. Very unfair. Very unCarlton.

Remember the first round win against the Demons, Posters were convinced we had the best forwardline in Fish, Waite, Fev, DeLuca, Betts, Whitnall and Kennedy at our disposal. Throughout the year this theme has continued, but the blame for our misfortune wasn't the forwards, and it wasn't our inability to win the clearances, it was directed at the poor disposal (and Libba got the blame), our poor decision making (Pagan's structure was blamed), our small inexperienced backline (Thornton, Livo and Teague, recruiters, AFL were blamed), our weak ruck division (recruiters and coaches got the blame) and our inability to last 4 quarters (fitness coach got the blame).

Now we have sacked Elshaug, Libba(?), Mulhearns and others possibly to come, and now the focus is on Waite and Fish. Fair suck of the sav. Clutching at straws.

Waite will not be traded, and has an important role to play for us over the next 7 years, Watch this 23 yo grow.

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You obviously don't watch many Carlton games, 'cos nothing could be further from the truth than that statement.

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Brettie wrote



If Pagan used the interchange properly we wouldn't have exhausted players on the field.

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i have been to every carlton game this year in melb except for two because of 1st 18 footy for school. It is not further than the truth, i watch waitey a lot because i love him as a player, he does chase and people saying he doesn't are the ones who don't watch the games. I am telling you that i keep a close eye on him and what i said is correct.

I have to admit, wanting to see for myself, I watched Waite very closely in one game (I think the second last match of the season) and he ran his guts out chasing. He might not always, but he definitely did that game.

When you turn over the ball so much through poor shots at goal or poor field kicking you tend to do a lot of chasing.

so if judds chasing someone down with his speed its because of a poor shot at goal or him turning the ball over. Waite does not turn the ball over as much as people say he does or miss goals as much as people say he does. What's your problem with him. one of the really talented players on our list.

Waite and Fisher have no competition for their spots so they dont need to make the effort to improve...Fisher's kicking is atrocious..innaccurate and has no depth...he also needs a windup to kick and rarely plays on...
Waite is our Tarrant...unlike Adam Hunter the pair of them dont have the hunger or mongrel in them...Hunter plays like his life depends on it...a real balls and all approach...Waite coasts along ...

Both Fisher and Waite deserve another year but after that i thik ist time to review them more closely....put Aaron Edwards on the list and/or Justin Westhoff and you might have Fisher kicking better and Waite getting more hungry.....Raso for example isnt going to push either for their place...or is an U18 kid who is 75kg and learning the game.....

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Not doubting his talent young fella. My problem is that their is too much of a gap between his good performances and his poor performances. When he narrows the gap that means he is becoming consistent and when he becomes consistent he will be a very good player. He has been on our list for 6 years. It is time for him to become CONSISTENT.

hes been on the list for 5 years actually. I agree with the consistency part, but basically many many players with the same amount of games played have a gap between there best and worst performances. And especially as he is playing as a young forward in a team that doesn't really deliver the ball that well up forward. Notice the games we win, our forward line seems to play awesome. e.g both melbourne games this year with fev, waitey, and fish all kicking goals and everyone praises them. But when we lose by like 100 points to sydney on the weekend, fish, fev and waite all have quiet ones. Its harder to be consistent (yes i kno fev has been consistent, but waite isnt in his league yet, and is younger, with less experience, and a kind of different role) in a forward line in a team such as ours.

But yes i agree with the consistency thing, he must take every chance he is given and kick the goals that fev so consistently does, because the ball isnt down there very much.

So yes, with consistency he will become a lot better, and i see that coming when our team generally is a better outfit and the ball is delivered down there more often, and also if he can improve on not makin the little errors, even though he does the fantastic sometimes.

so yeh sorry about that woof, i just thought you were knocking his talent, when he has bucket loads of it! but now i realise you were just comenting on his consistency, but it will come:D im sure!

Waitey, I think the thing which frustrates people the most about Waite is his unreliability in front of goal. There seems to have been little to no improvement in his goal shooting, especially set shots from 35-45m out, which should be gimmes.

Fisher can be the same.

There's just no pressure on them to improve, and as a consequence, don't because they don't appear to have to.

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yeh i know but i can only think of a few real standout misses this year.
The one against Essendon*, a shot against freo at telstra dome right at the start of the game which was about 40m out directly in front, and a miss against collingwood at the start of the final quarter. Only the Essendon* one was really an absolute shocker, the others were still 35-40m out, which many players miss occasionally. NO ONE gets every shot. All im saying is, i think a lot of people dwell on the minute negatives, rather than the many positives.

But yes i do agree, that those misses were costly!!!
So you are right, but the way we talk about him sounds as though he misses every shot, when in reality he got many set shots last year and this year.

Fev needs to take both him and fish aside, and just work on goal kicking techniques.

I understand the frustration, in that, the miss against Essendon* was shocking, yet then he will kick a beauty on the run or kick a set shot from 45 or 50. he NEEDS to focus on the simple things, because he does the difficult things quite well.

But the simple things are what make up a great part to being a great player and being consistent, and if focussed on and concentrated on, are quite easy to produce. So both you kaptain kouta and woof are right, all im saying is lets look at the positives!! we have a real talented youngster here, we have many, in walker, simmo, soon to be gibbs etc etc the list goes on. Im sure the negatives, especially in waiteys game, can be fixed. Id rather him at this stage being able to kick the difficult goals and take the difficult marks, because i know he can focus on the simple things and get it right. If he is talented enough to do the difficult things, he is definately talented enough to do the more simple things.

HE MUST work on the simple things and his set shot goal kicking. And im positive he can do it:D
lets focus on the positive things and if we are sitting here in 2008 or 2009 with the same conversation, then ill go buy you all a beer and say sorry for being too excited and optimistic about a player such as jarrad waite haha:D but dont worry, im sure we will see a great player emerge soon!
ill still buy you a beer for the sake of it but

Some younger players seem more interested in going for the speccie dribbled shots at goal, than the set shot, or shots on the run.

I don't get to training often (last time was 3 or 4 years ago...), but even at training, they're more interested in trying for the "how good am I" shot, rather than the bread-and-butter.

Waite gives me the impression that he's one of those when on-field.

We need players who go for the percentage shot at goal, and we might find that Carlton kick more in a match than at the moment.

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