Fev found guilty -- 2 week suspension

stretford blue · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:53 am

After Scotland he was always going to be in trouble. The way the tribunal works now is simple, if you go up the presumption is that you are guilty and the rest of the time is just dancing around until they bring through the punishment. Simple rule: Don't Get Reported!! :twisted:

Heavs · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:00 am

fevolaaaa wrote:

Quote:

Fevola and Carlton argued that there was minimal contact to Grover's face and what there was was to the left side of the face. The tribunal chairman, retired judge John Hassett, instructed the panel that the question of when it happened was irrelevant.

Disgusting. Corrupt.

Retired Indonesian Judge then?

Captain Obvious' Disciple · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:01 am

Tony Liberatore used to have a reputation for eye gouging. Now he helps out at Carlton.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

I have a good laugh at Captain Obvious.
Some of his stuff is quite funny.
You on the otherhand Captain Obvious' Disciple are using anonymity to take cheap shots.
Not much humour in that.

George Harris · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:28 am

Happy to take the Fevola decision on the chin (so to speak).

What I can't take is how Essendon*'s Johnson doesn't even need to front for raising an arm, connecting with Shaw's chin, and knocking him out.

Same with Matthew Lloyd on Hawthorn's Thurgood the other week.

Who do you reckon suffered more? Grover with a scratch or Thurgood and Shaw?

redskins · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:24 pm **Posts:** 715

"I couldnt breathe"

These are fairly strong words. Maybe Fev should have allowed Grover to choke him out. What was he supposed to do?????Tap out???

Seeing the tribunal consisted of 3 former players, i thought they would be more understanding of Fev's position.

Shows inconsistency of tribunal that last year the AFL wanted Jonathon Brown suspended for a headlock yet Fev gets suspended. If Luke Penny had done the same thing to get out of Brown's headlock, would he have been suspended? Me thinks the answer is no. It proves the AFL has it in for some players and more lenient for others. ie Mark Johnson.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

With regards to mitigation, maybe our defence should have used this:
From http://www.aflpa.com.au/media/Trib%20Ref%20Jan05.pdf

MITIGATION
In determining a Level to be given to a
Reportable Offence, the Match Review Panel
will not take into account any provocation or
whether a Player was acting in self-defence.
Ordinarily those are matters which would be
relevant to any sanction to be imposed and
while the Tribunal will generally apply the
Level classiﬁcation of the Match Review Panel,
there is power in Player Rule 23.7.1 for the
Tribunal to substitute another classiﬁcation,
if it is appropriate in all the circumstances
to do so. Extreme provocation as an
example, may amount to an exceptional and
compelling circumstance which would make it
inappropriate or unreasonable for the Tribunal
to apply the classiﬁcation of the Match Review
Panel, if sufﬁcient and credible evidence of
extreme provocation was adduced before the
Tribunal.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4623

Big_T wrote:

To be honest, if we all think about the game, was this not when Fev started losing it? Started playing the undisciplined crap that lost us the whole game? The shit that we used to expect of him? If so, Denis should give him 2 anyway.....

I posted before...One week for being bloody stupid and undisciplined (after sitting on his arse when the player got away after his head high tackle.)
Dennis wanted to give him a week for that alone methinks.
One week for the wrestling and face attack...

Add it up and I think he's done alright....

Basically it's going to turn into a positive for Dennis because Fev knows he's stuffed up and there's nothing worse than having to "make up to your mentor"

Now if we can get Scotland to say.."Gee he was pretty lucky to only get two weeks....." :lol:

James Bond · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:12 pm

Jarusa wrote:

MITIGATION
In determining a Level to be given to a
Reportable Offence, the Match Review Panel
will not take into account any provocation or
whether a Player was acting in self-defence.
Ordinarily those are matters which would be
relevant to any sanction to be imposed and
while the Tribunal will generally apply the
Level classiﬁcation of the Match Review Panel,
there is power in Player Rule 23.7.1 for the
Tribunal to substitute another classiﬁcation,
if it is appropriate in all the circumstances
to do so. Extreme provocation as an
example, may amount to an exceptional and
compelling circumstance which would make it
inappropriate or unreasonable for the Tribunal
to apply the classiﬁcation of the Match Review
Panel, if sufﬁcient and credible evidence of
extreme provocation was adduced before the
Tribunal.

Try making sense of that after a couple of bourbons

tap in 79 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am **Posts:** 2129

stretford blue wrote:

After Scotland he was always going to be in trouble. The way the tribunal works now is simple, if you go up the presumption is that you are guilty and the rest of the time is just dancing around until they bring through the punishment. Simple rule: Don't Get Reported!! :twisted:

If you go up the presumption is you are guilty - that is unless you play for Essendon* who have a 100% record in getting off when they have been reported this year.

Surely they are the only club that has such a record.

How many times have they had to play interstate in the first five rounds in the last few years too?

Be interested to know those stats. Lets face facts - the whole comp. -whether it is the fixture/ the tribunal/ umpiring decisions - is set up for teams that are considered favourable.

tap in 79 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am **Posts:** 2129

George Harris wrote:

Happy to take the Fevola decision on the chin (so to speak).

What I can't take is how Essendon*'s Johnson doesn't even need to front for raising an arm, connecting with Shaw's chin, and knocking him out.

Same with Matthew Lloyd on Hawthorn's Thurgood the other week.

Who do you reckon suffered more? Grover with a scratch or Thurgood and Shaw?

SPOT ON GEORGE HARRIS!!! - NEVER A TRUER WORD STATED.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:24 pm

James Bond wrote:

Try making sense of that after a couple of bourbons

Bourbons?

My word, Commander Bond has lowered his sights a little hasn't he! :lol:

killpies · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:30 pm

George Harris wrote:

Happy to take the Fevola decision on the chin (so to speak).

What I can't take is how Essendon*'s Johnson doesn't even need to front for raising an arm, connecting with Shaw's chin, and knocking him out.

Same with Matthew Lloyd on Hawthorn's Thurgood the other week.

Who do you reckon suffered more? Grover with a scratch or Thurgood and Shaw?

Exactly, don't mind if they are consistenty reporting everyone, consistency is the key word.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

To have TWO players from the same club go for EYE GOUGING within a couple of weeks of each other is disgracefull.
And I do believe they were both guilty.
Eye gouging is disgracefull and as a Carlton supporter it makes me feel quite uncomfortable that this has happened.
I don't know what the feeling is at the club about this but it doesn't sit well with me.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

budzy wrote:

To have TWO players from the same club go for EYE GOUGING within a couple of weeks of each other is disgracefull.
And I do believe they were both guilty.
Eye gouging is disgracefull and as a Carlton supporter it makes me feel quite uncomfortable that this has happened.
I don't know what the feeling is at the club about this but it doesn't sit well with me.

Spot on Budzy.
This is the point I've been making all week.
I am embarrassed that one of our players would stoop to such a despicable level.
Fev was a petulant, undisciplined sook and needs to pull his head in quick smart.
He has let the team down AGAIN.
We have 2 games coming up which could get us back to level pegging and one of our senior players does this.

I hope Pagan absolutely flogs him on the track.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

I'm with Budzy as well...disgraceful by both players...Fev should have got a extra week because he is so bloody stupid. The video clearly showed what happened and he was guilty...I thought two weeks was a light penalty and he should count himself lucky.
Agree with George Harris...Johnson and Lloyd should have been cited...
Be interesting to see how Lisa Lloyd performs on the footy show tonight...I expect her singing skills to match her husbands acting skills...unconvincing..

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Fev even commented on Scotland's incident, yet 2 weeks later goes and does the same thing.

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:28 pm

tap in 79 wrote:

If you go up the presumption is you are guilty - that is unless you play for Essendon* who have a 100% record in getting off when they have been reported this year.

Surely they are the only club that has such a record.

Yes it is strange that they have a SPOTLESSrecord - I wonder why that is so.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

I think during his forced layoff Fevola should be made to sit in the coaches box and see what it's like for the coaching staff to be frustrated with players' efforts.

Blueblood · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:23 pm **Posts:** 208

I like that idea Wojee....excellent suggestion. Make Fev realise that he is letting Denis (and us) down in a big way by doing stupid things.

Fev found guilty -- 2 week suspension

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