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I'm full of shit? You just made up pretty much everything you wrote in that last post, unless you work for the Swans. Just because you post it doesn't make it fact. You, myself, and everyone else has no idea what Sydney are planning, but the fact you consider them so highly is quite sus. Maybe you should just go follow your Swans since you think they are so great, yet Carlton are shit and had no plan come the end of 1995. :roll:

I challenge you to find ANY Sydney supporter who in November last year was worried about the future of the club (given they picked Brabazon, Laidlaw and Thornton from pick 51 onwards, not to mention some discards from other clubs) and was fretting about 2011.

They are all thinking 2006, and rightly so. As we were thinking 1996 in November 1995.

Anyone who suggests otherwise is an absolute fraud.


Who's talking about supporters?

I'm not.

Yes, Carlton were thinking 1996 in Novermber 1995, but there also should have been contingencies in place for 97, 98. And at the end of 96, that planning would cover 97-99, etc and so on.

I don't give a f*ck what Sydney supporters are thinking. I'm using them as an example given that they are the example everyone else is using.

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My whole arguement all along has been no supporter can possibly have said at the end of 1995 we should've moved on a heap of the list and planned for the future. As supporters the focus was on 1996. So too for the club. As I have said from the start, there is no-one alive who could've thought otherwise and to say NOW that you did is silly, a lie, and would make you an utter fraud.

Likewise, there wouldn't be a Sydney supporter anywhere stressing about 2011 and beyond.

And their contingencies? Three draft picks who are nowhere to be seen, and a couple of imports, one who is okay and the other who is crap. What are they planing with those five players for 2008?


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My whole arguement all along has been no supporter can possibly have said at the end of 1995 we should've moved on a heap of the list and planned for the future. As supporters the focus was on 1996. So too for the club. As I have said from the start, there is no-one alive who could've thought otherwise and to say NOW that you did is silly, a lie, and would make you an utter fraud.


You make a good point saying that supporters who all of a sudden have 20/20 hindisght are lying if they wanted a list overhaul at the end of 95. However, it would appear that the Club, too were in the supporters mindset, rather than be a little cold, brutal and calculating about the future.

How will Sydney do in 08, 09, 2010? I don't care, really, but I'm pretty sure that their football department seems to act a whole lot more business-like and professionally than Carlton's did in 96 (and maybe even now...)

The Sydney supporters may not be stressing about 2009 (2011 is a little far-fetched for mine), but I'm pretty sure there will be someone in the Football Dept who will be.

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verbs wrote:
My whole arguement all along has been no supporter can possibly have said at the end of 1995 we should've moved on a heap of the list and planned for the future. As supporters the focus was on 1996. So too for the club. As I have said from the start, there is no-one alive who could've thought otherwise and to say NOW that you did is silly, a lie, and would make you an utter fraud.


You make a good point saying that supporters who all of a sudden have 20/20 hindisght are lying if they wanted a list overhaul at the end of 95. However, it would appear that the Club, too were in the supporters mindset, rather than be a little cold, brutal and calculating about the future.

How will Sydney do in 08, 09, 2010? I don't care, really, but I'm pretty sure that their football department seems to act a whole lot more business-like and professionally than Carlton's did in 96 (and maybe even now...)


Their 2005 player turnover isn't much to sneeze at.


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verbs wrote:
My whole arguement all along has been no supporter can possibly have said at the end of 1995 we should've moved on a heap of the list and planned for the future. As supporters the focus was on 1996. So too for the club. As I have said from the start, there is no-one alive who could've thought otherwise and to say NOW that you did is silly, a lie, and would make you an utter fraud.


You make a good point saying that supporters who all of a sudden have 20/20 hindisght are lying if they wanted a list overhaul at the end of 95. However, it would appear that the Club, too were in the supporters mindset, rather than be a little cold, brutal and calculating about the future.

How will Sydney do in 08, 09, 2010? I don't care, really, but I'm pretty sure that their football department seems to act a whole lot more business-like and professionally than Carlton's did in 96 (and maybe even now...)


Their 2005 player turnover isn't much to sneeze at.


I guess we'll find out in a year or 2....

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I challenge you to find ANY Sydney supporter who in November last year was worried about the future of the club (given they picked Brabazon, Laidlaw and Thornton from pick 51 onwards, not to mention some discards from other clubs) and was fretting about 2011.


Interesting debate, it's been good reading.

Just a quick note though Verbs, 99.99% of Sydney supporters are too busy wandering why the 'referees' don't give Barry Hall more 'penalty kicks', why you get a point for missing, how that wonderful number 17 is the only Irishman ever to have played AFL and whatever happened to that lovely Tony Lockett fellow to give a flying f*ck about recruiting or drafts or such and such. :wink:

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There was a D missed in the thread title, it should of been:

The decade of debacles, despondency, disappointment and debt!

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There was a D missed in the thread title, it should of been:

The decade of debacles, despondency, disappointment and debt!

:)



And Demetrispew. :roll:

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verbs wrote:
My whole arguement all along has been no supporter can possibly have said at the end of 1995 we should've moved on a heap of the list and planned for the future. As supporters the focus was on 1996. So too for the club. As I have said from the start, there is no-one alive who could've thought otherwise and to say NOW that you did is silly, a lie, and would make you an utter fraud.



As you have no idea what I was thinking after the 1995 season, you are in no position to be saying no supporter was thinking about the future beyond 1996. At no time did I suggest that the list needed an overhaul, but I did say that no changes were made to the list, and that was a concern.

What I say now is not silly, fraudulent and certainly not a lie.

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